Russell Brand

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AIBU to think... 'here we go again?'

Anyone watching? I've always said 'innocent until proven guilty' but also 'there is no smoke without fire'.

Having been sexually assaulted myself, one of the stories seem so similar to mine.

What's your thoughts?

This is the most confusing post, I know. I just don't know how I feel.

Matthew Luxford claims that "he said vulgar and shocking things" and "didn't really mean them", but it's blatantly obvious he did.

@SequinsandStiIettos - oh agree. Nobody ever writes a book about themselves which is the full truth and Brand is no exception to that rule.

Believing women and carrying out an investigation and a trial should go together. As you say it is rare that an accusation is false.

Thats why it shouldn’t be so hard for us to get a conviction. The process should be fair and at the moment it is not.

You’re right it takes more courage than most can even imagine and that’s why women should be supported every step of the way.

Sounding ever so slightly naive there, It absolutely does happen, which is why they often get sued for defamation amongst other things, I am surprised that anyone has any faith left in the media given the circus they perform

Christ alive we cannot just believe people when they accuse, not without trial or prosecution. I know personally of two women who falsely accused, one was apparently wracked with guilt because the person she accused went to prison, basically it ruined his life, she confided in the church(!) it wasn't that long ago, within the last 10 years. He never received any sort of justice or retribution, she never told the truth, it went to court and she lied her way through it.
Believe me, it happens, and we absolutely cannot shift to a point of simply believing abuse claims. It ruins lives.
I am truly sorry that anyone is subject to abuse, however this trial by media is an absolute circus and makes a mockery of justice, because they don't care about accountability or what happened, they just simply want to sell stories

I used to adore RB and NF. Some of my absolute favourite comedians and I definitely fancied them. Always watched their shows and gigs, have seen RB live as well.

Absolutely gutted that I didn't cotton on earlier and ashamed I supported his career for so long.

@smooththecat i imagine, if you’re a sex addict (as he has confessed to being), you’re more likely to go to all sorts of lengths - non-consensual ones included - to get your fix. Don’t you?

I am not making judgements though, not about this case because we have only heard a one sided story. I reserve judgement for the right place. Unlike you - who also appear to be ignorant of the fact that false allegations actually happen.

'Sex Addict'? An excuse in itself dreamed up by Hollywood therapists to 'explain' entitled, arrogant, self absorption and extreme disregard for any person other than oneself.

Agree with @Messyhair321 : broadly, lawyers are there to advise on legal (and reputational) risk, which is:
risk of legal challenge if the publication publishes; and
likelihood of success of such challenge.

In the case of advising on whether to broadcast or publish something which might include defamatory statements, were a challenge brought, to decide likelihood of success, it’s important to consider possible defences. There are four main defences available to a defendant in a libel or slander action: Truth, Honest Opinion, Publication on a matter of public interest and Privilege (Qualified or Absolute).

But the publication can be soundly legally advised and STILL choose to take the risk, EVEN IF they’re advised that both likelihood of challenge and likelihood of success of challenge are high, if other benefits outweigh the downsides of challenge (e.g. revenues from increased sales would outweigh damages awarded, were a legal challenge successful).

Of course false accusations happen.

But multiple false accusations, made at different times, by various women on two different continents, who did not know each other and which allegations are, in part, supported by a text message sent by the accused to one of his alleged victims? Pull the other one.

Of course, a years-long multinational conspiracy against Russell Brand is not completely outside of the realms of possibility but, as a critically-minded human being, I am capable of forming an opinion on the available evidence and, while I doubt he will ever convicted, I think the chances of him being innocent are vanishingly slim.

Every single piece of news is orchestrated/ checked/ poured over and calculated to be fed to the minions- those stupid gullible people who still believe the msm. Im serious. . Covid made us playthings. So one episode of a current affairs programme is fed to the country- its gospel - not allowed to criticise it . And it has destroyed a family or trying to.
Questions have to got to be asked regarding proof. Wheres the met police -?? who announced 2 hrs ago they have never received a complaimt about RB. He is a disgusting vile rapist IF the allegations are true
If false - or an orchestrated narrative all we really know that is true he was a sex addict,an attention seeking loudmouth and fetishest which is gross / unsavoury to most people. Thats all
Wheres epsteins pals who supposedly paid to have relations with kids and worse.
Its totally ridiculous- like who made dispatches the whole truth..arent we allowed to question the media?? Public service broadcasting and an.
impartial media- that ship sailed 20 yrs ago fgs.
People are waking up to narratives fed to them.
If its true it needs to go through the correct criminal channels and RB needs to rot in hell .
Trial by media just bore off. No one buys this crap anymore.
#cancelculture
Roisin murphy
Graham linehan
Elon musk
Jk rowling but wait they cant cancel her though they tried too rich. Doesnt give a F if she is cancelled
Honestly if told the world was flat by dispatches would ye believe it !

I have actually never really liked RB. Always found him too eccentric and irritating. I don’t watch his YouTube channel, although for full disclosure I admit to being centre right and I do not trust government or the media.

If RB is a rapist, he should be punished appropriately. He certainly isn’t sounding like a very nice person. But I do believe in innocent until proven guilty. I heard someone say, it’s better for 10 guilty men to get off, than one innocent man suffer, and I agree with that sentiment.

As I said, I do not trust the MSM and so I was happy to hear today that these complaints have now gone to the police. Where they should have gone years ago when the MSM started investigating.

But there are things that worry me. It’s now all over SM that the texts appear to be doctored/manipulated/falsified. And watching Umbrella Guy, this does look suspicious. What damage could this ‘Media Investigation Journalism’ have done, if they have put out false ‘evidence’. Could this create enough doubt to have a man get away with rape?

If you dig a bit, there are other accusations against him during his time with Jamima Khan. Those seem to have gone in his favour;

amp.theguardian.com/culture/2014/sep/11/russell-brand-jemima-khan-masseuse-court-order-harassing

Media coverage has more than likely sabotaged any hope of him being found guilty now. Sick to death of this sort of news. Disgusting. Nobody can ever be held accountable for their actions. Next week he will be talking about his own mental health. What about the girl who had to pay 50k in court fees & had a gagging order placed on her. What kind of power do people have when they can gag someone they raped to prevent them from speaking about being raped! This is madness & infuriating

What I really detest about them people wot like Russell Brand is their lack of grammar. If you’re a fan of Russell then you must like them facts that he don’t speak proper and commits obvious malapropism and support his illiteracy.

Guys I know we hate the spelling pedants here but seriously, the following appears repeatedly on this thread:

you PORE over something, not POUR over it.

I assume Rosamund Unwin had been drinking coffee, which she accidentally poured over her copy, so tired was she, having pored over her sources’ statements all evening.

As you were.

I’ve been agreeing with you - you’re reading my post as a stand-alone whereas it’s part of a sequence of posts.

I wonder how his wife puts up with him, she seems so lovely?

Brand & Anor v Szilvia Berki [2014] | Carruthers Law (carruthers-law.co.uk)

They won the injunction and case.
Thames Valley Police said no case to answer.
The Guardian article makes for interesting reading but legally, nada.

I too am really right-wing and think that because RB is trying to expose the corruption at the heart of government. The establishment are trying to destroy him. I too don’t believe the mainstream orthodoxy of the closed shop medical establishment. These are the things that worry me. It has been proven by RB that after more than two vaccinations, a DNA test will fail to prove you’re human and will instead mark you as a cross between a civil cat and a rhesus monkey. RB is the only one talking about the Jewish space lasers, Biden’s age or how to quell the power of the workers now they are getting ideas above their station due to the effects of the supposed COVID virus and to finally put the working classes in their places by making them suffer.

I think it is the flavour of the month to try and destroy those on the right. Just because RB is the darling of the right the MSM are ganging up on him. He just has to have sexual intercourse against a woman’s will and everyone calls him a rapist. This is what the left wing MSM are coming to that they have to destroy the messiah of the right wing thinking person.

@MadeleineMummy

Are you quite alright?

I know it’s not always easy to spot in this day and age but I’m pretty confident that’s a (very good) parody post.

I’m not defending RB. I’m defending the human right to a fair trial, from you know, the Human Rights Act.

If he’s guilty, I hope he pays. But I won’t trust the media blindly…especially now that some of their evidence put forward, looks manipulated.

I will wait for the outcome of a police investigation. If that hasn’t indeed been scuppered by the MSM.