Russell Brand

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AIBU to think... 'here we go again?'

Anyone watching? I've always said 'innocent until proven guilty' but also 'there is no smoke without fire'.

Having been sexually assaulted myself, one of the stories seem so similar to mine.

What's your thoughts?

This is the most confusing post, I know. I just don't know how I feel.

And his followers are often too illiterate to realise he’s using them out of any contextual meaning.

RB utube fans. You don't realise, because you're in it, but you are being groomed just like the 16 year old. Rinsing you and perverting your world view for his own ends. However, you're in a cult, you've drunk the Kool Aid. You'd probably be better off with L.Ron's lot, at least you might glimpse Tom Cruise once in a while.

But I do think this is part of the problem.

Many women do not think there is a justice system when it comes to rape.

Their options are to suffer another traumatic process or look to other channels.

Feel the same.

Found the central allegations very credible. Also found some of the info presented questionable (eg uni students calling up the runners crying the next day because the person they had a ONS with didn’t ring them afterwards…).

At times it seemed they were looking for extra material to add to the general impression which undermined the more serious allegations as it demonstrated there was a clear impression they wanted you to be left with.

You can imagine the glee when they unearthed the JS clip from the archives, but I mean the fact it was JS on the line doesn’t tell you anything other than that the BBC were still allowing him on air in 2007. Being able to link the two names is obviously v useful for the programme makers tho.

And just to reiterate, all that said, the central allegations presented by the alleged victims were very credible.

I find it hard to believe that someone so obviously narcissistic and contemptuous who has consistently displayed that behaviour has suddenly stopped. What looks to have stopped is a payoff for that behaviour in public.

He still seems highly manipulative to judge from his YouTube.

Narcs who suddenly get interested in a quiet life and charitable work are suspect. This reformed character is a nice narrative for people but it doesn't ring true to me.

You’re being very baroque right now.

Completely agree bombastix

I agree. The current system is broken. Women are let down and re traumatised.
I was one of them. I used the system in the late 80s. The police were totally supportive. The CPS dropped the case. I was broken.

However I am proud I had the courage to go to the police. I am proud I tried my best to prevent them harming other girls.

Years later they were arrested again. My prior statements helped the police and helped this other victim.

I know the system is damaged but I want it fixed not replaced by name calling and chucking accusations around social media.

Indeed.

But emotions trump logic and due process.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't understand how an attack can be "baroque".

I certainly can be an in your face odd shape. The other word he likes is litany. Interesting one would use that as it means to be repetitive/heard it before. So yeah - not sure his fans have cottoned on to the fact he makes no sense.

Can you give examples of the extra material that undermined the allegations?

Because I thought every single clip helped show what an utter soulless, depraved dickhead he is.

Rb is a vile man. Grooming from a position of power seems to be accepted though sadly. I always felt the First Lady of France was a predator too.

My thoughts exactly.😂

It is a narcissistic word salad. Once you've met one of these people and how they communicate, it absolutely leaps out at you. I don't think Brand is the reformed character he claims. He manipulated women and now he manipulates via his channel. This is the same behaviour. He likes fooling and manipulating people.

How is getting someone to report that he sexually abused them going to silence him?

I keep seeing this stupid arguement over and over.

yeah I mentioned at least one of them in the quoted post

It's quite telling when vocal defenders of women's rights and who worry about their safety - people such as Laurence Fox, suddenly have a problem with women speaking up about abuse that has happened when it concerns someone with the same beliefs as them.

I really feel for his wife and DC right now.

yeah I do. v sad

These aren't just accusations though.

I mean, I can point at my dog and accuse him of stealing the bacon.

That's an accusation.

I can point at the dog and say I saw him steal the bacon- still an accusation.

If a journalist asks me about the bacon, checks the nannycam and asks DH about what he saw, checks with the neighbours and finds out they too have had bacon stolen by my dog, then compiles a report claiming he's a serial bacon thief backed up with all the information gathered, gets a lawyer or three to review it ....

That's not just an accusation.

You have to hand it to ‘the establishment’ - they really played the long game with Brand if the defenders are speaking the truth.

The attacks all occurred before he became a ring wing grifter & talker of bollox, when he himself was very much a player in main stream media. Yet it’s all been a perfect set up to discredit his word salads ramblings about Vaccines, Qanon, conspiracy theories & general gibberish years later.

If the illuminati / NWO are that organised & strategic, I can’t wait for them to take over.

I've read a lot of posts on here today saying "oh but he's always been honest about who he is / about having a lot of sex" etc.
But what if that was all a cover because he knew it would come out one day?

So was Jimmy Savile, in hindsight. Like Russell Brand, everyone assumed it was a joke.

I read My Bookie Wook and didn't pick up on it. Now I do. Makes me feel sick.

Yes there have been hideous cases where reports have been made with no police action being taken but this is where we need to improve the legal system not replace it with the media.

From what I’m reading and I could be wrong, the journalists approached the women. Another woman approached Brand’s literary agent.

Did any of them try the legal system first ?

If not why didn’t any of these responsible journalists strongly recommend reporting the crimes to the police. They could have offered to support them in this.

If this program was three years in the making then doesn’t that equal three years of re trauma for the women?

Why is this trauma not considered here?

He is a privileged person, with the kind of resources and power most of us can only dream of. I'm therefore more comfortable in him having to deal with the fall out of such a documentary, than say a random man accused of similar who worked as a school caretaker.

No. Absolutely not. This thinking is madness.

Justice is blind (or it should be). Hence it is depicted as woman blindfolded with a set of equal scales.

The second we start saying 'such and such a person is white, male, middle-class and rich therefore we can lower the bar of process and necessary proof to find him guilty, it is the end of our democracy.

They may be problems with the Justice system but then that needs to be addressed. Defaming someone publicly is not justice and purely in practical terms he is innocent until it is proved.