Russell Brand

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AIBU to think... 'here we go again?'

Anyone watching? I've always said 'innocent until proven guilty' but also 'there is no smoke without fire'.

Having been sexually assaulted myself, one of the stories seem so similar to mine.

What's your thoughts?

This is the most confusing post, I know. I just don't know how I feel.

Sex? A wild time? Sounds good.

Rape? Abuse? Not so much. I mean, who would expect a man so well Known, surrounded by staff, to commit violent assaults with impunity? I really wouldn't have expected that.

A close relative is in the comedy business and has confirmed this.

Quote from the Irish Independent this morning. This was 2007 he just kept getting away with his revolting abusive behaviour. I am going to sound quite naive but I thought a lot of it was all talk and no action, feel like such a fool.

Russell Brand’s sexually charged behaviour during a gig in Dublin in 2007 was described to the Sunday Independent by a member of the venue’s security team as the most shocking he ever witnessed in many years working in the entertainment business.

Trial by social media

This thread is depressing as fuck. Well done to those of you who have reinforced every misogynistic rape myth, and then demanded to know why women don't go the police 🤬

I believe the women who have come forward.

There is only one person to blame and that is Brand. Stop victim blaming.

The teenage girl was under the influence of a much older man. You don't listen to other people at that age. The mother couldn't stop the girl seeing Brand.

Another trial by media. I wish those who feel that criminal activities have been committed against them would use the police and judicial system rather than the media.
We have seen enough time celebrities who have been outed in this manner being found both guilty and innocent. If there is sufficient evidence it should be presented to the courts not the media.
Trial by media is wrong and can influence the outcome of a pending court case, the judicial system is there to protect and serve us all.

I wouldn’t drive my DD to the home of a monster, why did the mother?

Well the point is no one knew he was a monster🙄. He was a high profile comedian with a very succesful career.

I'm not surprised. I always found him aggressive and creepy. Let's hope he is held to account for what he did.

Whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. We have a judicial system for a reason, trial by media is not ok.

Joke is the operative word - RB is a comedian, and I think the difference between dark humour and disrespect is generally understood?
I realise that one of the women claimed during the documentary that he made the mascara comment to her personally, however the woman's interview for the documentary took place after he'd publicly made the joke on stage (I'm not btw giving judgement on whether he or she is telling the truth, I'm just pointing out the timeline).

The victims of sexual crimes very very often don't get justice of any kind. Look at the stats. Look at how the case of the MP is being handled, the proceedings being held up for months and months for no good reason. Look at the case of the man in Scotland convicted of rape recently.

Oh, there will be a trial by court to follow, no doubt. And hopefully, C4 Dispatches can hand over all the dozens of women who likely came forward with similar stories over night.

It's exactly the same way Saville was exposed, though this time, the perpetrator is alive and will face justice. I have no doubt. Bravo to the women and the journalists.

Agree with this too. I was coerced and manipulated by my first boyfriend, he was 23 and I was 17. I hadn’t dated anyone before while he was , as quoted above , a “serial shagger” . He was very predatory towards girls still in their teens, because we were all too young to recognise his horrible grooming behaviour, and we were also too inexperienced to understand our own youth and vulnerability. I didn’t have sex with him until I was older but all along he very much pushed sexual boundaries and pestered me, some things that I now can see were sexual assault and bordering on rape. In the end he became violent and even more controlling and I was terrified of him. It took me many years and a lot of counselling to move forward.
I have daughters around the age I was when I met him, I see how little they know of how men can be, neither have dated yet and I have a knot of worry about them starting to date. There are many Russel Brand type men, who boast of their sexual “conquests” and see boundaries as a fun challenge , and themselves as superior men for breaking those boundaries. So many of my school friends had a run in with a man like this, older, “charming” at first, then controlling and bullying. So many of them fixated on virginity and being the one to take that. Ghastly, vile men. In my experience other men are either impressed by them , or find them really repellent. Interesting to see the clip on Twitter of Bob Geldof and Russel. Bob clearly detests him and Russel looks actually scared of him.

In the case of Saville, do you think he should have died with his reputation in tact? Given he never faced his day in court?

I agree, as Stephen Fry said, 'he is a good man'.

I wish I hadn't seen it.

I feel sorry for his wife, I imagine she is feeling the ick now.

I don't know what to say. I think it is a warning to other men that their behaviour will catch up with them.

I was wondering what would have happened if the presenter he was groping had told him firmly to stop it the minute he'd grabbed her.

I too would like to see this happen more often but if the audience/co-hosts/crew are laughing along, you can see how hard it is for women to say ‘What the fuck do you think you’re doing?’ We need EVERYONE to react with shock in these situations. The camera operators etc and any audience present should also be saying: ‘Hey, pack it in, what the hell is wrong with you?’

Just watched it. I believe them-some of their descriptions of how they felt were actually quite triggering because of how authentic they were.

The Jimmy Saville interview made me feel sick.

Hopefully a criminal investigation will follow.

I was wondering whether there are already other cases known to the journalists and they chose the most compelling ones?

The rape case trial would need to be in the US. I don't think Brand will go willingly.

There was always something about him that I found uncomfortable, I found him difficult to watch and was never a fan.

I’m sure there will be more revelations to come.

Yes, when people say things like this it's so frustating. You can't trap a 16 year old at home.

At this age, she would have been able to cut her family off and move in with him. Keeping their relationship ok (which meant partially having to accept it), is far better than isolating her with an abusive man.

Why is everyone looking to blame the girls, the women, the parents, channel 4, instead of the person who actually perpertrated this?

There is zero doubt they only went forth with the least litigious. There will have been many more with less evidence that lawyers shut down.

I’m not sure about this one- but then I wasn’t sure about Bill Cosby until I watched the documentary about him.

In the Cosby case, it wasn’t just the women’s accounts that persuaded me, but also the accounts from non- victims who spoke about his awful personality and treatment of others..and presented proof!

In the RB case we have the accounts of the alleged assaults but not much else, and while I’m not saying I disbelieve, I am finding it difficult to place the same amount of certainty to this case as I have to the Cosby case.

The more such reprehensible behaviour is left unaddressed by others, the further it will go. Brand is a feral creature who has garnered himself an extensive vocabulary which his cultists believe is a demonstration of his high intelligence when it is simply a part of his admitted skill at mimicking acceptable behaviour to build a public persona. 0djusted people like Brand don't know when to stop, nor do they wish to, they just don't want to pay any penalty for 'just being me'. He should be subject to all legal penalties that might apply. I wouldn't leave my dog alone with him.