Russell Brand

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AIBU to think... 'here we go again?'

Anyone watching? I've always said 'innocent until proven guilty' but also 'there is no smoke without fire'.

Having been sexually assaulted myself, one of the stories seem so similar to mine.

What's your thoughts?

This is the most confusing post, I know. I just don't know how I feel.

Oh wow, how groundbreaking. No one’s ever done that before.

Why is it a "funny time"?

"Funny time" as in why now? Why did they allow it to happen when it did? Why did they keep him on their station if they knew what he was doing. Which they did as they where giving his number to girls and vice versa. What I am trying to say is channel 4 is not innocent either and fed lambs to the wolf

Not a powerful figure? What are you on about? He's a millionaire celebrity. Just being raped alone is the most vulnerable, scared, dirty and robbed I've ever felt - PTSD for over 10 years - and most people don't want to be further shamed and traumatised by having it dragged out by police and interrogations that statistically won't lead to anything anyway. Add in Brand's influence? You have no idea what you're talking about. 'In this day and age.' FFS.

His reasons for speaking out could range from him honestly holding these views and actually caring, right through to wanting adoration/a loyal following who will stand by him regardless. As he is a known narcissist then it may well lean toward the adoration/needing support end of that, but even if his intentions on certain topics are genuine it doesn't mean he hasn't done/isn't doing awful things in other areas either. 'Speaking up'/pretending to care about areas of concern in society has been used by people in the past in order to get followers, the whole 'saying what people want to hear' can be very alluring to some!

He made it very clear right from the start that he was a sleaze bucket, and a sexual predator. Now some people are surprised that what he said was true? What does it take?

I really don't understand the

'Why now?' Question.

Why ever?

What do you think is going on now that warrants the suspicion of a conspiracy?

Could it be that a journalist or a team of journalists had the story idea - maybe from comments female comedians have made or a one-off pub conversation where they thought 'let's see if there's anything here.' and this is what they found?

This is how investigative journalism works. Maybe it was on a list of idea somewhere for a while and this was the next one they picked?

When could they have exposed this without a 'why now?' question?

We didn't ask that about the care home investigation or any other story they produce. So why this one?

Why now.... because why did they allow it to happen when it did. They should have gotten rid of him once they knew. Not fed women to him then wait years to out him. They where part of it. Both hideous

He's made money on behaving like a sleaze and being hugely manipulative of boundaries of others. He was encouraged in his lifestyle and pandered to. It can't have taken much digging or work.

Because channel 4 didn't partake in care homes. But they quite literally gave RB girls... so they are just as to blame and now covering their tracks too

Ah that's ok then...😠

Exactly. This investigation has been going on for several years and they are risking litigation from Brand without thorough research, fact checking and legal oversight & approval.

My guess is there was much more they could have said, but this is what they could reveal without being litigious.

What I am trying to say is channel 4 is not innocent either and fed lambs to the wolf

Literally no one is saying that Channel 4 are innocent...including Channel 4! If you actually watch the documentary, they allowed Daniel Sloss to go on camera and say that Channel 4 (and the BBC) enabled Brand.

Channel 4 and other corporations being complicit doesn't make Brand any less guilty. If anything it makes it easier to see why Brand's victims, some of whom worked in the industry or aspired to, didn't feel empowered to come forward at the time when he had the financial and legal might of these corporations behind him.

They didn't need to investigate in my opinion. They where actively part of it. They I mean is channel 4. Just as its where with PS

Can I ask all the people describing Russell brand as right wing, how do you define right wing? Broadly he is critical of powerful institutions and individuals such as big pharma and the military industrial complex. You can agree or disagree but defining this as right wing is not the usual definition of right wing. His views are in fact left wing, if we are using that terminology.

He was sober when they occurred.

I know people who used to work in his circle and him being a danger has been an open secret for many years but he was making enough money for the BBC / Channel 4 / his agents to cover it up.

RB has always been a master manipulator and narcissist.

His turn to woo woo spirituality guru then stick it to the man advocate and now right-wing anti MSM/Vaxxer is not surprising - his entire life relies on having a large enough supply of people who are easy to manipulate into adoring him and giving him their money, and people in power to turn a blind eye.

He was not talented enough to sustain a Hollywood career and he has burned all his bridges with U.K. TV and radio, so rinsing people who rely on Facebook and YT contrarians who use big words to tell them what to think was the only avenue left.

For all the fangirls and boys nothing will convince them that the women who came forward are telling the truth and he will
use his live shows and YT channel to whip up a frenzy that ensures no one else - and there will be many many more victims - will be brave enough to come forward.

He is a brilliant cult leader. I will give him that.

@neverbeenskiing that's part of my point. But I haven't seen channel 4 being held accountable really. I haven't said RB is innocent. I'm saying they go hand in hand and maybe the whole of channel 4 deserves am equal investigation

His mainstream career flopped. He tried to break the US but outside of his cameo in Forgetting Sarah Marshall he wasn’t well received. His movies were disappointments, as was his talk show. He attempted to pitch a sitcom and that didn’t get off the ground either. He didn’t walk away from fame, which is his claim, he crashed and burned.

So he pitched himself to the alt-right, which is known to be a veritable goldmine if you’re a washed up public figure. He gets to make bank, whilst being safe in the knowledge that his audience of useful idiots aren’t going to be believe anything against him because iT’s A cOnSpIrAcY.

Could not agree more with all of this.

Yes, amazing how many abusive men are simultaneously too "off their face" to have any awareness of what they're doing, but sober enough to physically overpower a woman and maintain an erection.

@Over40Overdating he's doing what cult leaders always do, following a protocol of how to get followers - the protocol itself works but I am not sure it makes him brilliant.

What’s funny about the timing? When would be a good time?

I feel similar. Further, I feel he should have come clean yonks ago. He always made a thing about his transparency, his confessional books and the 12 step thing of admitting your sins, seeking redemption etc. Reading the most serious allegations makes me feel betrayed, or duped is probably a better word. This whole revelation is so against how he portrayed himself in recent years.

The other revelations where RB is controlling, dated youngsters or ordered runners to invite fans to his dressing room I feel is deeply unpleasant but within the bandwidth of what I expect from male 'talent'. This is what the industry looks like from the inside.

I replied a bit up regarding that. I don't mean funny time. I mean why dod they wait so long. They knew about it and gave a sex addiction access to young girls on purpose. Both hideous