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waterrat · 17/09/2023 07:53

I think people would have thought the 16 year old thing horrible - but the entire point of the 'me too' movement is to SHIFT the perception that things are 'nasty but just part of life'

Many, many things I saw and experienced as a teenager in the 90s were just like this - we thought they were horrible, we thought the men were creepy - but we just thought it was part of life.

Now these men are getting a reckoning!

NeunundneunzigHorseBallonz · 17/09/2023 07:55

Love that people think that there is a conspiracy to discredit the conspiracy theorist…

ehupo7 · 17/09/2023 07:57

waterrat · 17/09/2023 07:53

I think people would have thought the 16 year old thing horrible - but the entire point of the 'me too' movement is to SHIFT the perception that things are 'nasty but just part of life'

Many, many things I saw and experienced as a teenager in the 90s were just like this - we thought they were horrible, we thought the men were creepy - but we just thought it was part of life.

Now these men are getting a reckoning!

Exactly – I remember getting whistled at in my school uniform at 15 and on the beach in my bikini at 14. I’m not sure grown men would be so bold as to do that nowadays (could be wrong).

Angrycat2768 · 17/09/2023 07:57

Hotelecholimapapa · 16/09/2023 22:32

Wow, that was a tough watch. If the victims were telling the truth, there will be many, many more to come forward. I tried to stay open minded but I can believe he is guilty.

There have been quite a few female comedians who have accused male comedians of sexual assault. I wonder why they didn't say something in this programme. It may not have been Brand, but they would have highlighted wider issues within the entertainment industry. They are wealthy and famous enough not to suffer the same repurcussions as the women in the industry who did stand up, at risk of losing their jobs or being blacklisted.

MrsJellybee · 17/09/2023 07:58

God, I remember an aspirational piece in Just 17 in the mid-90s about Peter Stringfellow's latest girlfriend who was 17. The piece was in her own words and she said how welcoming her family were of him.

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Wassapp · 17/09/2023 07:58

Skyisbluegrassisgreen · 17/09/2023 07:52

Maybe because he challenges the establishment and the way the world is run and calls out large corporations - is it a big surprise there’s a story to discredit him. Do you really believe everything you’re told to without question??

You clearly do!!!!

This response is bat-shit crazy.

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ehupo7 · 17/09/2023 07:59

MrsJellybee · 17/09/2023 07:58

God, I remember an aspirational piece in Just 17 in the mid-90s about Peter Stringfellow's latest girlfriend who was 17. The piece was in her own words and she said how welcoming her family were of him.

vom!

StepAwayFromGoogling · 17/09/2023 08:01

Angrycat2768 · 17/09/2023 07:45

If you read the newspaper article, the woman said that the taxi driver begged her not to go in and said he would drive her home free of charge, so it wasn't 'just accepted' then by everyone. It was normalised in the media ( and in The Times' sister paper, the Sun, celebrated) but in the general public, it was questionable behaviour. This story is about media organisations letting their 'stars get away with whatever they wanted because they didn't feel their duty of care to ordinary staff members like runners, newsreaders, assistants etc. was as important as keeping the 'talent' happy.

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Yes, that's my point, you just agreed with me. Not sure if you meant to quote someone else?

Whatintheworldgirl · 17/09/2023 08:04

Wassapp · 16/09/2023 22:07

AIBU to think... 'here we go again?'

Anyone watching? I've always said 'innocent until proven guilty' but also 'there is no smoke without fire'.

Having been sexually assaulted myself, one of the stories seem so similar to mine.

What's your thoughts?

This is the most confusing post, I know. I just don't know how I feel.

It's interesting you mention how one of the stories seem similar to yours (I'm so unbelievably sorry you went though something so painful) the reason I say it's interesting is because I had the exact same thought regards one of my own personal experiences. It's difficult because I'm starting to believe that the media are hiding something recently (which annoyingly is what Russell's counter argument for the show was) and I was nervous to watch this documentary however I can fully understand the images depicted and can hold my hand up and say that the descriptions are so close to home (to the point I found myself almost gagging from recollection). It's heartbreaking and I understand my response probably makes no sense 🙈 brains a bit muddled every since. The world is so messed up!

Zebdya · 17/09/2023 08:05

waterrat · 17/09/2023 07:53

I think people would have thought the 16 year old thing horrible - but the entire point of the 'me too' movement is to SHIFT the perception that things are 'nasty but just part of life'

Many, many things I saw and experienced as a teenager in the 90s were just like this - we thought they were horrible, we thought the men were creepy - but we just thought it was part of life.

Now these men are getting a reckoning!

We were just talking about this the other day. Sexual assault used to be so casual, you’d be walking through a crowded place and some random would squeeze your boob or bum as you passed. And you ignored it, because it happened a lot and there was nothing you could do really. Maybe it’s because I’m older but I don’t think that happens any more?

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Wassapp · 17/09/2023 08:08

Whatintheworldgirl · 17/09/2023 08:04

It's interesting you mention how one of the stories seem similar to yours (I'm so unbelievably sorry you went though something so painful) the reason I say it's interesting is because I had the exact same thought regards one of my own personal experiences. It's difficult because I'm starting to believe that the media are hiding something recently (which annoyingly is what Russell's counter argument for the show was) and I was nervous to watch this documentary however I can fully understand the images depicted and can hold my hand up and say that the descriptions are so close to home (to the point I found myself almost gagging from recollection). It's heartbreaking and I understand my response probably makes no sense 🙈 brains a bit muddled every since. The world is so messed up!

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I'm so sorry that you went through something similar. It makes me sick to think that this happens.

I was talking to my friend the other day about this. Sadly, I don't think there are many woman who haven't been sexually assaulted in some way.

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Janiie · 17/09/2023 08:09

Don't we have a judicial process for stuff like this, haven't other celebs been named and shamed then actually found innocent?

If he's guilty fine arrest him and charge him but I find it bizarre that people can be outed by the media on TV shows without any police or judicial process at all.

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Wassapp · 17/09/2023 08:09

Zebdya · 17/09/2023 08:05

We were just talking about this the other day. Sexual assault used to be so casual, you’d be walking through a crowded place and some random would squeeze your boob or bum as you passed. And you ignored it, because it happened a lot and there was nothing you could do really. Maybe it’s because I’m older but I don’t think that happens any more?

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This was the exact same conversation I was having with a friend the other day.

I hope to God it doesn't happen anymore. I would break someone's nose if they did this to me now, yet back then you just had to get on with it.

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Angrycat2768 · 17/09/2023 08:11

StepAwayFromGoogling · 17/09/2023 08:01

Yes, that's my point, you just agreed with me. Not sure if you meant to quote someone else?

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No I meant to agree with you but worded it wrongly. Ive only had one of my 5 coffee breakfast!

waterrat · 17/09/2023 08:12

but we don't 'have a judicial process for this sort of stuff ' do we??

Rape is so rarely brought to the point of conviction it is in practical terms legal in the UK. Almost no rapists at all are ever convicted - the majority never see court.

FabFitFifties · 17/09/2023 08:14

Zebdya · 17/09/2023 08:05

We were just talking about this the other day. Sexual assault used to be so casual, you’d be walking through a crowded place and some random would squeeze your boob or bum as you passed. And you ignored it, because it happened a lot and there was nothing you could do really. Maybe it’s because I’m older but I don’t think that happens any more?

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Yes, almost every pub, every week! Bloody hell, I'd cause a riot if it happened now. Fortunately, I'm 54,and loving the invisability that brings. I can't say I'm confident it's not still happening to girls now though😠

FabFitFifties · 17/09/2023 08:15

Invisibility!

StepAwayFromGoogling · 17/09/2023 08:15

Janiie · 17/09/2023 08:09

Don't we have a judicial process for stuff like this, haven't other celebs been named and shamed then actually found innocent?

If he's guilty fine arrest him and charge him but I find it bizarre that people can be outed by the media on TV shows without any police or judicial process at all.

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Not necessarily found innocent. Just not enough evidence to convict 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. So often it's just one person's word against another's. I believe them.

flappersdelight · 17/09/2023 08:16

Zebdya · 17/09/2023 07:51

I’m not saying it’s right, of course it’s not. But “over 16 and didn’t say no” was deemed to be consent. Imbalances of age and power weren’t really considered.

They were considered though. Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith was reported very negatively at the time.

worriedatwork123 · 17/09/2023 08:16

it's bollox to say in the mid 1990s it was considered ok in society for men in their 30s to openly date 16 year olds .

I was 16 in 1993 and yes there were some girls who dated older guys in their 30s - but most girls and lads in the school knew it was sleazy, yuck and grim. We also knew the girls who did this came from more damaged backgrounds and the guys were known sleaze bags by all in the community. The school had assemblies and workshops about power imbalance in these type of relationships and also sent staff up to outside the school to move on these gross men who were parked to pick up their 'girlfriends' and her mates.

My parents would have gone bat shit as would all of my friends parents at the thought of any of us dating a guy in their 30s , never mind him being welcomed into the family.

In my mind it was actually the sun and other types of MSM which were too slow to catch on to this being the actual reality in the community so what was in those type of papers didn't reflect what happened in my community and school.

I actually think we are going backwards - the lads i grew up with and encountered at school and uni were mostly nice, respectful young men - the sleazes and braggers were ostracised but the things the lads my daughters ages seem to think are ok are appalling and it's accepted in the social norm.

Fallingthroughclouds · 17/09/2023 08:18

I don't understand how this goes through the media rather than the courts. Surely this massively prejudices a jury. Personally I think it should be trial first, media later.

LaffTaff · 17/09/2023 08:19

The idea that RB was drawn towards his current position of anti establishment mouthpiece as part of a 'long game' doesn't ring remotely accurate - he's always been anti establishment and culturally challenging; he's always spoken grandly of revolution and such like. In addition, he's always been incredibly transparent about his own shortcomings.

I have no idea if the allegations against him are true, none of us do - thus it's blinkered to proclaim a belief either way.

It will be interesting to see how it develops. The notion of grooming is curious, how were the women who spoke in the documentary approached by the film makers? It has reminded me of a recent situation here in Scotland involving Alex Salmond, similar accusations were made against him - allegations he claimed were deliberately exaggerated to suggest criminality, he suggested possible establishment orchestration (when it all came to court, and the recollections were examined - ie his and his accusors recollections varying - Salmond was exonerated by the jury).

Janiie · 17/09/2023 08:19

StepAwayFromGoogling · 17/09/2023 08:15

Not necessarily found innocent. Just not enough evidence to convict 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. So often it's just one person's word against another's. I believe them.

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I'm not saying I don't believe them, I just think the police should be dealing with it before someone's alleged crimes are announced on a TV show.

Puffypuffin · 17/09/2023 08:24

He's always repulsed me so my views are probably clouded, but none of what was said about him is remotely shocking to me. He appears to have such a God complex I think he probably does believe that his relationships were consensual and normal. Although he admits he was high a lot of the time, so who knows what he did during those periods.

In my view, he's repulsive, but he's no fool, he'll continue to fight and refute this and his disciples will believe everything he says. He already tried to preemptively control the narrative.

Princessandthepea0 · 17/09/2023 08:25

As a nation we are easily groom able. Brexit for one. Quite the long game here. It would appear people in and around him and the industry have been calling him out for years. Super injunctions to stop things coming out. It’s almost as if he knew his day would come. Looking at some of the responses - it’s grooming. People have been led to believe he can’t be questioned because conspiracy. In a nutshell that’s why women don’t come out about men. I’ve met people like that before - think they are above it all. Surround themselves with their own echo chamber.

Why don’t they do this, why didn’t the come forward first, why didn’t they go to the police. All of these types of comments enable this behaviour.

I wonder if they have the suspicion of more - who would meet the prosecution threshold in this country. An exercise to get more to come forward - hence the police appeal.