To not be surprised to see threads on LGB being questioned now?!

[SuperNewMe]

Just typed a reply and the thread disappeared quickly (makes a change as when it's trans related ones they stay?!)
So it's not a TAAT, it's just to say that after all the anti trans rhetoric you see on here sometimes, it comes as absolutely no surprise that there are now more threads attacking lesbian and gay couples ( not natural was the phrase used)
Not to mention one still on the go as far as I'm aware that refers to LGBTQ as "special rainbow people"
YABU you're imagining things
YANBU things seem to be ramping up against LGBT people in general
(I say this as someone who's straight and not trans)

If you read down the thread they elaborate more, it’s a chain of tweets.

There has been a huge rise in homophobia over the last few years. Stonewall themselves tried to redefine same sex attraction as ‘same gender’ attraction. Separating sex and gender is only acceptable when taking about someone’s chosen gender, when it comes to sexuality apparently it’s all interchangeable. Even the media will not refer a person as ‘gay’ or ‘lesbian’ if it’s anyway relevant to their piece, the person is always ‘LGBTQ’ or worse ‘q*r’. To suggest someone is same sex attracted alone, well that may hurt feelings. Just lump all sexuality and gender in together as if they’re one same thinking group. Like the Borg.

I'm a lesbian and I say 'rainbow people' because I feel like there is a difference between gay, lesbian and bi people of the old days and all this LGBTQ+++ Bollocks.

I don't want anything to do with any of the rainbow bullshit. It's intrusive, overbearing and embarrassing

You've essentially just given a beautiful example of why trans ideology is inherently homophobic.

The “anti trans” is usually more to do with concern about women’s rights, loss of safe spaces etc. I don’t see why you would look at that and assume homophobia?

Please explain what you mean by that?

(I’m glad you got something out of it at least).

Absolutely this. I can’t imagine how bigoted ( in the true sense of the word) you would have to be, to have so firmly stuffed your fingers in your ears when people raise their concerns about gender ideology that you actually think those raising concerns are more likely to be homophobic than homosexual or LGB allies. Extraordinairy levels of prejudice you are displaying there OP.

No I don't see any anti LGB sentiment generally on Mumsnet. Other than in the posts of TRAs who want to shame lesbians into believing that a man who claims to be a woman can be a lesbian.

The rise in homophobia comes predominantly from the trans community as far as I can tell and false teaming identity with sexuality.

Because grown men getting their cocks out in front of little girls has been framed as “LGBTQ rights”, it was inevitable that LGB people would be caught up in the push back and backlash.

I haven’t noticed any threads on here that are anti LGB apart from th recent horribly biphobic one which MN refused to remove on th basis that “it’s good to let these conversations run”.

special rainbow people usually refers to all the ones who are not in the rainbow due to sexuality - so not homophobia. All the plusses +

That’s not my experience. I agree that the world is more overtly bigoted in some ways but I don’t think homosexuality is the focus at all. Racism and sexism are definitely more acceptable but I would say homophobia less so.

Can you explain how redefining lesbians and gay men as same gender, rather same sex, attracted is NOT homophobic?

Because grown men getting their cocks out in front of little girls has been framed as “LGBTQ rights”, it was inevitable that LGB people would be caught up in the push back and backlash.

This is a very good point actually. I have seen anti pride threads and anti fetish threads on the basis of child safeguarding.

For people who are unaware of broader issues it might well be that they put part of the blame on the LGB community, particularly given Stonewalls past and the way it's aims have changed to being pro-T and anti LGB.

Unfortunately it is the trans community that is causing anti LGB sentiment & then they are blaming this on the very people (mostly women) who are trying to protect children from harm saying 'oh it's just like s.28 again'.

What opinions do you think “not agreeing with T” actually covers?
Because in my experience it tends to be very vague, and not open to hearing what people actually think.

With all respect, the massive rise in homophobia has generally gone unnoticed because it’s coming from ‘within’. People don’t want to disagree with trans activists that no, sexuality cannot be changed with your gender because the backlash can be huge and damaging. So slowly but surely the very idea of what it means to be gay or a lesbian is being eradicated for further lies to spare feelings and anger.

Sexism isn’t just more acceptable, misogyny is completely out of control. In a couple of years we’ve been thrown back about 50 in terms of how women are treated and spoken about. We are fully back into the ‘correct way of womaning’ train of thought as a society.

TRA ideology is deeply homophobic. Try to erase sex from the equation and that's what happens. I see more and more gay people getting very frustrated with this turn of events. Stonewall et all has thrown them to the wolves.

Yes. One of the biggest & most harmful homophobes of the lot, nowadays, is Stonewall, and I think a lot of people still assume they’re promoting gay rights.

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Tandoras reaction to that Stonewall comment baffles me. Everyone knows how homophobic Stonewall is. Companies are leaving their schemes in droves and they were literally part of a tribunal for discrimination against a lesbian woman

Absolutely this. Brilliant post which spells out what most rational thinking people believe.

Every word of this @BreadInCaptivity Thank you for writing so eloquently.

And @SuperNewMe my concern (and that of many other feminists) is not to denigrate individual trans people ( they generally need therapeutic help to heal their extreme mind/body split and dysphasia) but to question
n the violent and misogynistic attitudes of trans activism as a movement.

Did you miss Nancy Kelly describing lesbians who don't want to have sex with males who identify as women "sexual racists"? Does that not qualify as homophobic to you?

thecritic.co.uk/thank-you-nancy-kelley/

You baffle me! Stonewall is a charity that was set up to advocate for the rights of LGBT people. They are the last people on this earth who are homophobic. Just because they refuse to cut of the “t” , to abandon trans people, to throw them to the homophobic/ transphobic dogs, you call them homophobic. It is deeply twisted and ironic and just makes me want to scream and tear my hair out. Homophobia and transphobia share the same roots. It is the often the same people (and always) suffering the same discrimination, you have completely lost the plot

It really was one of the more revoltingly homophobic comments that's come out of the TWAW crew. I presume the response will be more emojis though, what with the obvious difficulties formulating a coherent argument.