Another dog attack, man killed, can this just go on?

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Just on the news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795

Week after week, there is something wrong with dogs (and the owners) today, I grew up with them and this never, ever happened. Maybe because dogs were treated as dogs and not trophy animals. Awful for everyone.

Is this a plan to eliminate the domestic dog species from the UK? Cos if you neuter them all then not sure where you think puppies are going to come from?

I have seen hundreds of posts from animal rescue organisations, dog trainers, charities and solicitors offering their services for free to help XLs. They're offering muzzle training, neutering vouchers and legal advice about the exemption process. Some veterinary practices are also prioritising XL Bully neutering as it is compulsory in order to comply with the exemption process. People are also crowd funding money to help pay for legal fees.

I’d support a massive reform of dog breeding, so that only licensed breeders can have unneutered dogs.

That would help protect both dogs and the public.

Well said @Milliemoo6

To everyone going with the “it’s the owners” argument. It’s always the owners of guns too… another thing that is capable of killing people but I don’t see people crying out for making them legal.
whether it is the breed or the owners fault, the fact is these dogs are far too powerful to have in society and Humans have proved time and time again they cannot be trusted to keep them under control. Banning them is the only way. Maybe people will think twice about creating other ultra strong breeds too.

My friend is one of the people on Facebook sharing photos of her xl bully with her kids and going on about how soft she is. Couldn’t be further from the truth… She’s been pulling her hair out with it’s behaviour ever since she’s had it it’s been a nightmare, utterly hyper and wrecking furniture etc. So I don’t buy into all these posts to be honest.

We need an awful lot less puppies. There's no reason at all for the general public to be breeding their pets.

If we can't keep thousands of humans from entering the UK unlawfully, a few dozen mutts won't really tax the criminal masterminds of the UK. Especially with their connections in government.

You mean there may be some people being less than truthful on social media ?

That's my world rocked.

I couldn't be friends with someone neglecting their kids by having a dangerous dog breed in the home, let alone one that is clearly not under control. Parents who make the choice to have this particular dog breed are neglecting their children's needs and failing when it comes to safeguarding them. It's awful.

@SerendipityJane is there really any need to be such a dick?
you know my post wasn’t about social media in general but pointing out the blind loyalty people have for these dogs.

Oh I totally agree. I couldn’t understand it at all. The friendship is not the same and I haven’t stepped foot in the house since they’ve had the dog. I’ve been worried about it ever since, but reporting a legal active dog that destroyed some furniture wasn’t going to do anything. Ive always worried it will turn. I’ve been telling her to rehome it for ages, I’m glad for the kids that it looks like finally it’s going to be removed.

I think my last post didn't post but it won't happen because the people who make the decision are probably dog lovers. So sad for you.

I can't take my toddler (who recently started walking) for a walk as all the nearest parks have dogs running around without any supervision. They just come running towards you. Once I saw a dog running and going under the flowly dress of an woman while
she was just sitting on a bench and enjoying her book. The lady started screaming and the owner was clearly not happy about this screaming. My FIL was attacked by a dog on the road. The dog ripped his shirt and left a wound on his room. This is not about giving rights to dogs, this is about taking away human rights.

yup. as a (previous) owner of a reactive dog, we always had a muzzle with us & used it if we were somewhere busy or if children were about (plus lead, obviously). not that I thought she was a danger but we muzzle trained her well so she really didn't mind it & it was a fab signal for people not to try stroke her, so it stopped situations arising that made her too uncomfortable. I would be perfectly fine with this legislation, & dog licenses, where people would need to go through compulsory training before owning a dog.

This is Battersea's statement. They're part of the Dog Coalition.

I had a dog that was muzzle trained. she did not mind it. we held the muzzle out and she put her face right in. it's like crate training or leads, if you train them on it right from the start, it's not an issue. people here talking as though making muzzles mandatory would really be a big issue and it really shouldn't be.

I think the Spanish approach is eminently sensible and seems like something we should be able to here - I think along with licensing, all owners of new dogs should have to sign up to training classes and dogs should have temperament checks.

I don't want my Beagle muzzled so glad it won't happen in her life time. Training a dog to wear one doesn't mean they are happy with it. They are probably to scared to not do it. She is my part of my family, she is not dangerous & not allowed near strange children. So luckily for her no muzzle.

@Oliotya so tough shit on your view. No ifs & buts.

@Milliemoo6 oh that makes it okay then doesn’t it carrying on as you were eating people alive, just grand! None of those things are comparable anyone who uses whataboutery to subvert a sensible discussion is frankly just a moron!

what fault has dog for being under wrong ownership? how many people are attacked daily by other people in Uk and over all world should dissapear all humanity. Right?

Relax, dog owners. Muzzling of all dogs in public in the UK will never ever happen.
Worse than dismantling the triple lock on pensions.

It's not really as black and white as that though is it. Making something illegal just pushes it underground, and it's hard enough to ensure animal welfare when breeding as it is. Many 'professional' breeders are the absolute worst when it comes to animal welfare.

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