Another dog attack, man killed, can this just go on?

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Just on the news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795

Week after week, there is something wrong with dogs (and the owners) today, I grew up with them and this never, ever happened. Maybe because dogs were treated as dogs and not trophy animals. Awful for everyone.

@Dullardmullard Why is that hysteria? There are dogs being used as weapons by drug dealers everywhere. They are trained to attack. To hurt. To maim. To kill. They are paraded around on heavy chain leads to demonstrate threat, and are basically weapons in plain sight.

I think the root problem of this and many other issues is that Brits are getting thicker ('he'd never bite') and more antisocial ('my right to own a dog trumps yours to feel safe'). It's an education problem - we need to teach both critical thinking and 'social ethics' or similar, in a sustained and serious way from primary up.

I dunno what the answer is

Around me it's young lads, the ones on scooters with balaclavas and hoods up
They have the bully breed dogs that are under exercised, and not trained except for fighting and hanging off branches

But if you ban that breed, they will just do it with another. Because previously they would have had pit bulls...

No empathy at all for those maimed for life or killed by these dogs. Instead it's 'hysteria at its best ffs'

Listen to yourself. Think and engage your brain. Some family members have to deal with the awful consequences of maiming and death due to dog attacks.

I haven't heard/seen the news today so forgive if it's been on there but, and a genuine question, if these dogs are to be banned what will happen to those that are ready out there?

That is rare though and a drug dealer won’t want to train the dog on word commands most likely left in its own squalor in a tiny kitchen which I have seen and rescued too many times in my lifetime

I really agree tbh

What you don't think an owner of a dog who kills somebody shouldn't be charged with manslaughter? Somebody has been murdered, by a dog that wasn't under control by it's owner.

Well that’s what he’s been arrested for so better let the judicial system know your thoughts

Its not just large breed that are the problem tho, the puppy craze in lockdown has resulted in tonnes of poorly trained, badly socialised dogs.

One of my neighbours has two really aggressive small dogs, that snap, snarl and jump every time they are out of the house. They are a massive danger to toddlers and young children, once one of them even jumped into a pram with a baby. The father freaked out and threw the dog (literally) out of the pram with the owner outraged that her precious pooch could be manhandled.

Dog licences and compulsory breed tailored training are the way to go.

Spayed neutered
muzzled at all times
leaded at all times

just like the pit bulls which are still here but a banned breed

No she said it was trained to kill and maim she or he doesn’t know that it’s hysteria

I agree that looks a sensible measured approach

I suspect as many dogs will be banned by this as there have been houses built by the big announcement on housebuilding.

From what I have picked up listening to the radio, the existing XL will have to be muzzled in public and all neutered. It will be illegal to sell or pass them on, if an owner wants rid they will have to put them down as rescues will not be allowed to take them either.

I'm basically as much of a softy as they come when it comes to animals, but fuck me if a dog or any animal jumped in my baby's pram - well, instincts would just kick in wouldn't they?!

And if the owner didn't like it then I just simply couldn't give a toss. Not even a little bit.

I agree. The XL reminds be of the Indo Rapter or Indominous Rex in the Jurassic World films. Its been selectively bred (rather than genetically engineered, granted) for size, strength and aggression. I get all the owner not the breed stuff, but this particular thing is an abomination. I have a dog, he could in theory, bite, but he'd never overpower and be able to kill a full grown man. The absolute worst case scenario would be a stitch or two.

@Dullardmullard are you going to explain why it's hysteria? Why shouldn't the owners be charged with manslaughter?

I'm speechless.

I think you’ve missed the point. You’ll see on other posts I’ve set out what I think should happen re the control of dangerous dogs.

This point relates to how parents also need to control and educate around how children interact with dogs.

I'm the owner of a bull breed dog and I 100% would support:

• all dogs licensed and insured
• all breeders licensed
• all dogs on leads other than designated dog areas
• bans on dogs in shops/cafes/pubs etc (exception maybe country pubs where it's always been the norm)
• better funding for dog wardens
• greater power for dog wardens to seize dogs immediately if an owner cannot provide proof of license and insurance

Exactly this. The person saying about the small dog jumping into a pram, absolutely appalling but at least an adult can grab it and throw it out the way (I recall a jack Russel killing a baby but that had been left unattended with a baby if I recall). With that XL bully attack the other day in Birmingham it was pulling grown men to the ground.

it’s the size and power that make these dogs really dangerous and I think we need to distinguish this from the wishes of people who hate or are scared of dogs generally.

Dogs do tremendous good for a lot of people and curtailment around ownership needs to be carefully weighed up and be commensurate with risk not just the fear and preferences of relatively small (but vocal) groups who seemingly can’t distinguish between a miniature schnauzer and a dangerous bull breed.

That'd mean no walks and a very unfulfilling life for many short nosed dog breeds.

we need some sort of training before youre allowed to keep a dog-needs to be monitored and licensed that should be produced on demand

atm anyone can get any dog anywhere

There is also a report of an attack on a 10year old boy playing football in the street yesterday. The video is horrific. The number of adults it took to try and stop the attack and the dog is just oblivious. Luckily the dog only attacked the boys arm it could have been much worse, but poor child will be left traumatised

@WinterDeWinter

Not sure about thicker, but we are definitely more individualistic as a society. I think it’s a symptom of that. Personal wants and needs trump the wants and needs of our community/society. We are losing empathy for others - therefore dogs owners leave dog crap, have them off lead, let them sniff around anyone they like and don’t see an issue.

People want the right to own an aggressive dog then the police/government don’t have the resources to support when things get out of control. Until something bloody awful happens.