Another dog attack, man killed, can this just go on?

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Just on the news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795

Week after week, there is something wrong with dogs (and the owners) today, I grew up with them and this never, ever happened. Maybe because dogs were treated as dogs and not trophy animals. Awful for everyone.

Maybe people would stop bleeding deformed dogs cause they look cute then. Win, win.

This is horrific

The ban can’t come soon enough

The reports of attacks seems to have really ramped up in the last week. Is it just that others in the past haven’t been reported on mainstream news? It seems like
one every 24 hours at the moment

Hear hear. I suggested similar upthread. Lengthy prison sentences would deter some unsavoury types.

Whilst I support holding the dog owners accountable, I doubt many who own these types of breeds would be put off by the risks of prison (probably their second home). No right thinking person has this sort of dog surely

Tiktok is getting full of owners with their XL Bully dogs.

It is definitely worrying them.

@Needanewnamebeingwatched I actually agree about your point of all dogs should be muzzled in public. I actually do have muzzles for my two soft as shit large dogs. They are standard poodles and LOVE everyone and just want to get a cuddle from everyone they meet. The muzzles are for their protection . They would never bite anyone that was not attacking them or me, BUT this way , they also cannot be accused of it. When we go to the beach they are off leash and not muzzled, but these are remote beaches with no tourists (dominican republic)

@Scotsgirl001 i agree-we have a mini cavapoo the size of a cat. We were walking in a local country park when in the distance saw 2 cane corso dogs, off lead with zero recall. My husband hid our dog in his jacket and we turned and got away from them as quickly as possible-they were running riot, the owners chasing after them and the dogs totally ignoring them-the dogs were huge. We feel safer sticking to areas we’re we know dogs will be on leads. It’s definitely a worry 🙁

Surely though - as with humans, any animal - they can appear ‘soft as shit’ but something can push them to be aggressive. I’d say my 3 year old would never bite or push - BUT - actually if he was tired/overwhelmed/suddenly shocked - he might??

at cabo engano, most eastern point of dominican republic, no one for miles other than a shack that has the coast guard in it (who is always sleeping instead of watching for drug smugglers lol)

@WhalePolo you are absolutely right! I would put good money on the fact mine would never bite unless i was threatened, BUT not bet the house on it. Thus muzzles when we are in public areas

@DisquietintheRanks No, people won't stop breeding them as it brings in money.
It'll just mean more unnecessary suffering for them or behavioural issues because owners will not he able to walk them.

Surely it's not that hard

Mandatory:
Insurance
Licensing for owner
Registration of animal
Chip
Registration and license info stored on chip or collar

Dog wardens for enforcement and checks

Heavy heavy fines penalties and prison time for flouting

Yes, but that's the whole point, isn't it ... the father was able to throw the dog out of the pram. The baby lived.

Do you really not see that there is a bit of a difference there to just this week's attacks, where numerous fully grown males have been beating these dogs with e.g. spades to try and get them to stop, and yet people have still been maimed and killed?

These dogs are just not comparable to any issue we have had in the past, and the problem is accelerating further out of control all the time.

And out of interest how would any of that be enforced?
Because councils and the police won't do it, and many who own this sort of dog certainly won't go along with it

@BaroldandNedmund I'm surprised that more dog owners aren't concerned about this breed. Obviously the headlines are when they kill or seriously injure a person, but there must be many times that number of fatal or serious dog attacks carried out by them and most other breeds wouldn't stand a chance.

Just saw this video of an XL attacking a police horse in London - horrific.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victoria-park-police-horse-dog-attack-crime-london-b1069385.html

But what is even more depressing is the attitude of the dog owner - all this BS about she’s a good girl, a softy, it wasn’t her fault, not his fault he tried his best but couldn’t do anything.

A cockapoo is a crazy breed crossed with an arsey breed because someone doesn't want sneeze. I wouldn't trust any dog with poodle in their genetic make-up with young kids.

Many of us are concerned about these dogs, except:

• We know it's not a recognised breed.
• We know breed specific legislation doesn't work, and has never worked anywhere that's implemented it.
• We know it's impossible to hold a rational public debate on the subject and the government has been in full knee-jerk mode since last week as they've realised it's a great Dead Cat Story right now.

Why are more dog owners not beating the drum about the breed?

Because its the people owning them that is to blame not the breed.

Done the pet licence it never worked in the 70s and it won;t work now.

Cane corso's should also be culled out of existence

I do feel sorry for some of the owners as they genuinely really love their pets but I just think they didn't use common sense when they got them. It's all good saying that their pet is soft and a good dog but for me it's what they can do if they are in a bad mood or something irritates them. I wouldn't trust one in a million years.

I'm really surprised that someone can't understand how other dog owners behave and opinions in wider society should affect rules that govern how you can live your live. This is society, this is how it works.

Don't you think that's a tad patronising? I've had almost 40 years in the legal profession, so it's safe to say that I have a very good idea about why and how laws are made in the public interest. So I repeat, there is not a cat in hells chance of any government of this country introducing a law mandating that ALL dogs should be muzzled and on a lead in ALL public places.

Proportionately, there are a small number of people who own particularly dangerous dogs. Changes to the law should focus on the dangers these people/dogs pose to the rest of us (and to our non-dangerous dogs). Yes, I agree that dog licences, controls on breeding, compulsory insurance etc should apply in respect of all dog ownership. However, I very much doubt that much will be done in that respect as there is no money for enforcement.

Bringing in a law that my toy poodle cross should be muzzled and on a lead at all times would massively impact on her well being and on that of my family. There are hundreds of thousands of similarly minded dog owners around the country. Do you honestly think any government or would be government will want to poke a wasps nest when more moderate actions can be taken which most dog owners would approve of?

And as for the comparison with legislation relating to driving, around 1700 people per annum are killed on our roads. Many thousands more are injured, either to a minor extent (e.g. whiplash) to a major extent (catastrophic injuries). ALL motor vehicles are extremely dangerous to human beings. If there were no regulation controlling their use, it would be utter carnage every single day for road users, pedestrians etc. The comparison is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

However, there is an absolute dick on Tiktok who has four XL Bully and is just kicking off about having to keep them on a lead.

It's akin to saying we should ban all cars because of the boy racers.

I’d say it’s more akin to banning guns because some people will use them to kill. Which, oh wait, we have.