To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

Should I be hated for the events of 1284? I dont like this antipathy, hatred at the moment towards English people.

I think any antipathy towards English people might be more to do with contemporary attitudes than anything that happened in 1284. If you don't want to be hated then maybe acknowledging the existence of a Welsh cultural identity is probably a good place to start.

The OP mangled it but the question is still very clearly about national identity so all the QI bores could take a breath 😅

Considering the OP won't accept his identity as he described it and is on here trying to be proved right I would imagine that the conversation didn't go down exactly as she said it did and she was being dismissive and offensive about it, hence the screaming and shouting.

No. You cannot. Being part of the culture, living all you life there, call yourself welsh etc...etc... become welsh etc..etc...

But no black person cannot be ETHNICALLY from Europe and no white person can be from Africa. Come on now, those white people in South Africa , we all know they're ancestors are (racist) immigrants.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/japanese-university-students-learning-welsh-12621217#

But as someone in the EXACT same position as her oh, she is right. So him shouting at her is ridiculous.

Go on FB
Welsh people still frothing at the mouth at the death of Welsh Princes at the hands of Norman's. I am not denying cultural difference like the language. Just the ethnicity comment.

We're talking about nationality.

That's pretty much how I see it, we have done the DNA which confirmed it.

How far should we go back? Should I now hate Italians, because of how I'm still apparently suffering from the Roman invasion of my country, many centuries before I was born?

s not that far back at all. But crack on sounding so ignorant.

Entirely ignorant and wrong.
Or just arse.

Then get your government to demand a referendum from the UK government, just like the Scots did and were granted.

If you were locked up in a prison by an aggressor, but you knew that you could be given the key and leave if you wanted to - would you do the sensible thing and ask for the key, or would you prefer to just stay there and complain for the rest of your life (and teach your descendants to do the same) that you were being held against your will?

I mean, if it's such a destructive thing having any association with England, why would you choose to keep it when you don't have to?

That's the the difference though - native Hawaiian vs Hawaiian by birth. I didn't suggest they would somehow become native Hawaiian.

Are all the descendants of the ten pound poms in Australia not Australian because they are not native? How many generations before it changes?

So there's been little to no mixing between the English and the Welsh since the 1200s? Bollocks.

In my experience, the Welsh, Irish and Scottish like to protect their identities fiercely, whereas English people don't seem to get so worked up about it.

Yes, that's because historically, England has spent most of its time oppressing other nations.

No, she isn’t. It has repeatedly been explained why she isn’t, too. You not wanting to accept it is a separate issue.

They can't afford to be independent.

I mean, if it's such a destructive thing having any association with England, why would you choose to keep it when you don't have to?

What are you on about? Where are you plucking these scenarios from.?

I am talking about the OP.

Indeed, the English national anthem boasts about it.

I'm Welsh. Welsh through and through. Born in Wales, grew up in Wales, educated in Welsh, still have my accent despite moving away many years ago. My mum is actually English but that's her, not me! I personally wouldn't consider your husband Welsh as he didn't grow up in Wales, unless he visited Wales a lot in his childhood and spent lots of time with Welsh family, but even then I don't think that would be a stronger cultural influence than where he went to school and his peers growing up... But it really doesn't matter what I think. His identity is his and his alone. There is no objectively correct answer to your question.

If you're talking about his legal nationality then that's obviously British unless the UK ever breaks up and then I'm guessing he would have the right to choose Welsh or English. If that ever happened, I'd choose Welsh (despite my English mother) because that is MY identity.

Some people use the term nationality as a synonym for citizenship. Others use it as a synonym for ethnicity. It causes a lot of confusion.

s not that far back at all. But crack on sounding so ignorant.

Instead of just telling people who disagree with you on this how stupid they are, tell us WHAT much more recent effects of colonialisation you are so devastated by - and why they're not so devastating to make you actually want to regain your independence, when it's right there for the taking.

She's not right.

And even if she was (which she isn't) it's extremely obnoxious to try to 'win' an argument over this emotive topic.

As an Irish person, if I'd been born in England and any partner of mine was telling me I was English or half English, half Irish I'd think they were an obnoxious dickhead.

Who has said that Welsh people don’t have their own distinct cultural identity?

Someone upthread.

Who is denying that it happened in history?

I didn't say colonisation was denied, I said it was minimised, eg "modern day Welsh people can't claim to be affected by colonisation".

If you came from a country that was colonised, is still largely governed by the colonial power, where your language was forbidden and is still a minority language now, and when people from the colonial power insist that your ethnicity and cultural identity don't exist, you might understand.

So there's been little to no mixing between the English and the Welsh since the 1200s? Bollocks.

that modern day Welsh people can't claim to be affected by colonisation that happened hundreds of years ago

Sigh

As somebody with Irish parents (which makes me Irish according to vast swathes of this thread) I'm not sure how much better poor British people had it compared to my poor Irish ancestors. Seems to me the determining factor for how fucked over we got was wealth not ethnicity.

And yes, the famine, but I counter that with the industrial revolution which was a horror show of death, displacement and disease for poor Britons.