To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

What's the point of the thread, indeed.

What a strange thing to say. I've been at pains throughout the thread to specify the sense in which people are using particular words and ask them to define their terms, precisely because they're so contested. I focused on the term nationality, and will continue to do so, because that's what the OP is asking about and that's where the confusion is starting. I even considered stopping doing that, as it gets tedious. (And contested is not the same thing as ambiguous...).

Now you're claiming that ethnicity can have 'visible markers', yet you demand that I should tell you how ethnicity is objective?! I keep finding myself asking whether people are serious on here or not and it's actually getting scary at this point. Are you actually taking the piss? I mean, I appreciate you're just looking for an opportunity to shriek racist, fine, standard behaviour when triggered with certain words. But can you read back what you've written and think about it a little?

It's ok to yell at someone if they are wrong in special ways and that makes them "the aggressor"? OK then. Funny how nationalists of all stripes find ways to excuse being nasty bellends.

No, but I'm married to a Welshman and know my history. I'm not asking why it matters to him. I'm asking why the OP is trying to re-open the argument.

I'm also getting some interesting insights into how some posters on the thread think it is acceptable to speak to your partner.

OP is put out by this strong sense of identity for some reason.

Sounds to me there's form for this whole discussion between them.

Well, I believe you are happy to excuse marital abuse. Not a good look.

No, not for being 'wrong'. For being obnoxious and offensive and trying to impose their wrong belief on you even though it's offensive, obnoxious and inflammatory.

Do you think you are fooling people with faux condescension to cover up the fact you are completely unable to provide rationale for your poorly thought out comments?

I have watched you do it to others and can assure you it doesn't work. We can read.

You were the one who claimed ethnicity was objective. If you made a mistake that's fine. Just explain that and I will move on.

If you have a question about anything I have said, ask it, deflection is tedious and obvious.

Tbh I think marital abuse is a stretch.

😂

You have some strange beliefs

All of which emotional loading is your interpretation of how you imagine "it went down". Maybe you need to educate YOURSELF on the concept of confirmation bias.

British with Welsh heritage.

Yep I do think it went down like that because she came on here looking to be proved right and still dismissing what he said.

Educate yourself....instead of throwing out the most ridiculous comments such as how I am happy to excuse marital abuse....now that's emotionally loaded

Having lived in a household where yelling, put-downs and belittlement were weapons, believe me it isn't.

Translation: Just shut up and agree I'm right.

You are not.

And it's the "get a life" retort. Such a debate winner.

"The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the official title of the state. Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and England are often called the Home Nations. All of them can be described as countries, or nations, as can the UK in its entirety. None of them are independent states, however".

Too many grey areas for anyone to be right or wrong here.

No, the translation is that you used "you condone abuse" to try to shut ME up, which is low and pathetic. He didn't abuse her.

…you’re NOT Welsh?!

I think of myself as English (born here, parents born here) but my DNA says 75% Scottish, 19% Irish, 4% Germanic Europe and 2% English. My passport says British.

You can't debate though so what's the point.
You threw in the abuse apologist line because your debate skills are so lacking.

I can't say I've ever had a complaint of 'faux condescension' before! That's entertaining. Would you rather I were genuinely condescending? I usually try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but you make it quite difficult.

Ok, in the spirit of genuine condescension (as you asked for it) it depends on how you define the term ethnicity of course. When you say ethnicity can have visible characteristics, you're using it in the sense of population, which is biological and genetic, and in many ways analogous to 'race' on a smaller scale. Others use the term solely in the current dictionary sense, which comprises both culture and ancestry.

Most of those responding on this thread by saying his nationality is Welsh because his parents are Welsh are of course talking about his ethnicity in the sense of ancestry, genetics, population etc. and are using nationality as a synonym for ethnicity. They're probably also assuming a conflation with culture, because it is generally though not always the case that the two travel together. I did assume all this was obvious, but apparently not.

@Pollyputhekettleon I'm not a rugby person either, but you bringing up a specific tournament doesn't add to your argument.

Lists of countries officially worldwide ISN'T based on sports tournaments. By the way, the term "nation" DOES mean country.

I repeat, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are non-sovereign countries. Therefore, English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish are all REGIONAL identities.

Why are they regional identities and NOT nationalities?

Because they are actually regions of a SINGLE unitary sovereign state known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Countries were formed via war between their constituent parts. For example, Satsuma prefecture in Japan was its own independent country for centuries before Japan was unified into one country by force. France is another good example of this nation building too - French wasn't originally the language spoken widely across France as we know it today. It was a minority language, but became the dominant, unifying language for all France following unification via force. English language follows the same pattern found right across European nation building.

The nationality of all persons born or to parents who are citizens of the United Kingdom IS actually British.

Unlike other countries such as France, the UK retained its constituent parts as HISTORIC non-sovereign countries with English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish being regional identities.

The case of Emma DeSouza in Northern Ireland demonstrates what I said. She lost her case and British Nationality Act 1981 is still in force. So, in Northern Ireland the Irish identity is also a regional identity - being able to hold an Irish passport doesn't change that.