To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

If he loves Wales so much, and is disgusted to be called English, maybe he should bugger off to Wales and stay there

Lovely.

There is definitely a lot of ignorance, I don't get how so many English people don't know which countries make up Britain or the UK. Do they not teach that in school? 😂
We had to learn every county and river in Ireland all through primary school and yet so many English people don't even know what countries make up the UK. It's not hard, there's only 4. How can people not naturally pick up that basic knowledge even if no one told them? It's bizarre

And then as I said when corrected, many act like they got you with an AHA moment when they say well you're part of the British Isles........and for those people it's not just ignorance, it's also rude and disrespectful.

Have you ever heard of a thing called the Four Nations? Do you ever wonder why it's not called the Four Regions?

And actually, if asked to describe his heritage, it would be more accurate for him to say :

"My parents were both born in Wales, I was born in England, and I don't know any history older than that".

You can be ethicially not white and Welsh.

The Oxford dictionary defines ethnicity as: "the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent."

does he always behave like a twat?

Hes english, born in England, brought up in England, went to a school in England, works in England…. Even the Welsh wouldn’t claim him as theirs 😂

edited to add, English of Welsh descent

He feels Welsh and his family is Welsh, so he's Welsh.
My DH was born in England but both his parents were born in Scotland and 3/4 of his grandparents were Scottish (other one was Welsh). He grew up in Scotland and went to school there but moved away for university 25 years ago - but still feels intensely Scottish. Our son (born in England, raised in England, with a Scottish name) feels more Scottish than English.
So many British families are like this, with combined heritage from our four nations. (One of the reasons that independence for any of them would be so difficult.) Why is it so hard for you to understand that your husband feels Welsh?

It's called the Six Nations. But as you do seem to have pretty 19th century views, it's not a surprise you got that wrong.

In my experience, the Welsh, Irish and Scottish like to protect their identities fiercely, whereas English people don't seem to get so worked up about it.

And god alive . I've no idea why that is.

Of course they like to protect their identities.

And by the way have you ever met someone from Yorkshire?

Are you suggesting that England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are all just regions rather than countries in their own right?

If so, you are wrong.

@ForestryForever the United Kingdom IS a country and a SOVEREIGN one at that.

England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all non-sovereign countries.

So, in law and when he goes on holiday outside the UK, your husband IS a British National.

It's that simple.

English and Welsh are simply regional identities within the country known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Not nationalities.

It is not a fact at all. The British part is fact. Everything else is subjective, so only self declaration really has any significance.

wtf? You don’t think black people in Wales should call themselves Welsh?

No, in that case I'm Welsh. But I'm not, I'm English because I was born and raised here despite the fact both of my parents are Welsh. And that's not just an opinion it's just fact!

Where exactly are you getting the idea that everyone is of mixed ethnicity or mixed nationality? It seems to be a really common belief. We have someone right on this thread who did one and got 100% Welsh. Do you genuinely think she's some kind of bizarre outlier?

@ISeeMisledPeople England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all non-sovereign countries.

They are also REGIONAL parts of the sovereign country known as the United Kingdom.

Only British is a nationality. No passport has English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish as a nationality.

No it's not, England is a country and if you are born there then you are English.

*Even Black Welsh, wth is that? Just leave at Black or Black British.

You cannot be ethnically not white and Welsh.*

WTF

If you look into it most of the concepts we are talking about including Ethnicity and Country are completely subjective living concepts that have little to no standard consensus definition.

Hence the shitshow that is this thread.

I was shocked at how many people didn't know about Overseas Territories.

No, in that case I'm Welsh. But I'm not, I'm English because I was born and raised here despite the fact both of my parents are Welsh. And that's not just an opinion it's just fact!

You're clearly English.

And he's Welsh.

And I totally dispute "the whole it's not that difficult" trope.

I'm not a rugby person. Or whatever sport it is. But as someone who denies the existence of the Welsh as an ethnic group it shouldn't surprise me that you also deny that the Welsh, and presumably the Scottish, are nations. But, yes, honey, I'm the Victorian imperialist here.

@Kiswahili, yes you can. There are plenty of non-white people. Not many as a percentage, but they are welsh and they are not white. They've been born in Wales, grown up in Wales, live in Wales and work in Wales. If you watch S4C, there are mixed race actors and presenters.

But we have the same heritage and birth place so how can that be?

By the same logic anyone born pre-1991 in the USSR doesn’t have a nationality beyond Soviet. Lithuanians, Latvians, Russians, Georgians etc didn’t exist. Except of course they did, and were recognised to.

Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland are all nations in their own right.