To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

What an utterly bizarre argument. Are Irish travellers a 'national qualifier' now?! Because I can't find the term 'national qualifier' anywhere in that document.

So Welsh isn't an ethnic group, but Asian Welsh is? I'd say this must be satire, but you actually sound genuine. And you're accusing me of having 'dangerous ideas'? Some of you need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

Sorry I got you mixed up with the person claiming that ethnicity is objective.

Welsh is, of course, an ethnicity as much as anything else is.

It's not abusive, it's fact.

Lots of Ukrainians have Russian heritage. That doesn’t make them Russian. Lots of Croatians have Serbian heritage, and that doesn’t make them Serbian.

Ethnically you can be mixed but be predominantly belong to one or two, which may or may not be reinforced by geography and/or culture.

It really isn’t. Unless the definition of ‘fact’ is now wildly different to what it used to be.

What scares you about the idea of Asian Welsh?

He was born in England though.

You're actually hilarious, you know that. You have to be trolling.

Even Black Welsh, wth is that? Just leave at Black or Black British.

You cannot be ethnically not white and Welsh.

Can you spell out what you think that means?

It would though, according you US law, anyone born there is American.

He was born and raised in England, so he's English. It's not that difficult

My Nan was born in India, to English parents, lived there until she was 6 and they moved to England. When I asked her what her nationality was she said "Anglo-Indian".

Yeah but what I'm saying is that it's so mixed now between the two nations that modern day Welsh people can't claim to be affected by colonisation that happened hundreds of years ago

my ex was welsh, welsh parents, born in wales. He considers himself Welsh.

I'm english, of Cornish/Yorkshire decent. I consider myself English, but culturally Cornish.

my kids were born in england.

they both consider themselves welsh as their father is welsh.

and now i have said welsh so many times it no longer makes sense xD

But yes. Your DH's NATIONALITY is British.
his cultural identity is Welsh, and that is where the discussion ends.

Oh, FFS. 🙄

What?

Your partner's nationality is British. Simple as that.

English, Scottish, Welsh & Northern Irish are all REGIONAL identities in the UK. These aren't nationalities.

He was born and raised in England, so he's English. It's not that difficult

Well I think just looking at this thread tells you that statement is wrong.

But he's Welsh. That's it.

My partner was born in England to Welsh parents. He mostly grew up in England. He definitely considers himself Welsh, though if he's being annoying, I tell him he's English.

I definitely know more Welsh language than he does (I take lessons,), and history (my uni dissertation was on an aspect of Welsh history,) and there's a photo of my g.g.grandfather in the National Museum of Wales, and I could show you the trees my father planted on my grandfather's farm. I still go back to Wales pretty often, though I was born and brought up in England.

It's part of me, but not all of me. It's not something that really bothers me and I think of myself as British because I'm not all English. Most Welsh people would think of me as English, and I reckon they would him, too. But I'm definitely more Welsh than say Yorkshire or Lancashire or London, so the PP who mentioned different regions of England has a point - there is a lot of variation. I have friends and family all round the world and it's different experiences that make us interesting. You can have two people from the same town, and they'll still be different.

Yeah but what I'm saying is that it's so mixed now between the two nations that modern day Welsh people can't claim to be affected by colonisation that happened hundreds of years ago

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How can they not still be affected when their language was almost wiped out and still hasn't recovered, when they are partly governed by English people chosen by English voters and when there are still people around denying the existence of their identity?

I was trying to reply to the poster who erroneously said he was born in Wales.

I think I side with him and his Joanna Lumley argument. Your parents' nationality is the important bit, and then the culture of where you grow up influences you. The OP's DH is Welsh. He certainly isn't what she said, half Welsh.

The thing is, he is only looking at his parents birthplace, and not going back any further, which is disingenuous.

Where were his grandparents from? Where were their parents from?

We are all a complete mix of ethnicities, so trying to identify as one race only, really makes no sense.

I was born in England. I have lived in Scotland for 20 years. I feel "a bit" Scottish, as this is where my home is, and where I have built a life. I did a My Heritage test, and in fact, I am 30% Scandinavian (plus a few other things). I have never been to that part of the world, and feel no affinity to it whatsoever.

My children's father identifies as Irish, simply because his parents were both born there. My children have been known to tell people they are Irish. But I think a lot of this stems from their Grandparents who just never stopped banging on about Ireland, even though they both left in their teens. Constantly buying the grandchildren Irish sports tops, always supporting Ireland in any sports. It used to annoy me, I felt like saying "You've lived in England for 50 years, when will you choose to assimilate?"

In my experience, the Welsh, Irish and Scottish like to protect their identities fiercely, whereas English people don't seem to get so worked up about it.

But the whole thing is silly, because if your Partner did a My Heritage blood test, he would see that he is made up of several nationalities. We all are.

If he loves Wales so much, and is disgusted to be called English, maybe he should bugger off to Wales and stay there.

They would be American by citizenship. But the native Hawaiians would generally have a thing or two to say about you if you tried to claim he/she was Hawaiian.

Yeah but what I'm saying is that it's so mixed now between the two nations that modern day Welsh people can't claim to be affected by colonisation that happened hundreds of years ago

Do you even know welsh history? Go to Wales and say that. Dear me.