To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

I think people are confusing nationality with ethnic origin
he is British and his parents are British. Wales falls under Great Britain.
ethnically however, they are Welsh, and so is your partner.

And do you think that option would be on the census in, say, France? Is French and ethnic group? Is the British census the objective decider of Ethnic groups?

The categories are Black Welsh, Asian Welsh, White Welsh etc.

Welsh is a national qualifier to the ethnicity groups: White, Asian etc. It is not an ethnicity in its own right.

Do you belive there is an ethnicity of "Asian Welsh"?, because I do.

I'm just here for OP asking for factual answers then getting snotty with everyone giving the only factual answer which is that his nationality is British 😂

But he was born in England, therefore he's English. His kids wouldn't be half Welsh they'd be a quarter Welsh because their dad was born in England not in Wales.

I'm Irish so I definitely get it because they did the same to us. I've been called British enough times by English people even though I'm from the republic, and when I correct them they often follow up with the classic "well you're part of the British Isles so..." 🙄

But even so. I don't think people need to necessarily understand history to understand why it might be a sore topic. It's not difficult to understand why a persons nationality is often important to them.

It’s is absolutely a line of thinking, and I agree that it’s very dangerous. I’ve seen it a fair bit. And as you say, I guarantee that a lot of those people would be very shocked by their true ancestry

I love doing that too. I say stupid things like I am from Simba or Hakuna Matata and the person goes " Like the lion king??!!!"
And I go " Yesss it's a real place inn Africa ".

I say China, Serbia or somewhere the person wouldn't expect hahaha.

About £60. My English DH had his done, English, Scottish,Irish and 1% Ashkenazi Jew.

As an aside a friend of mine had his dog’s DNA done. He’s 58% pug with the rest being an assortment of terriers and a bit of chihuahua. 100% cute though.

The census is asking for identity, which has geographic, ethnic, and cultural components.

Welsh IS an ethnicity, and is recognised as such by the government:

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/ethnic-groups

What is up with you? I’m responding to a poster asking about getting their DNA tested and relaying my personal situation. I wasn’t talking to you.

And I wasn’t stating that everyone originating from Africa did anything of the sort? I was referring to our original migration.

You need to calm down. You have a very clear agenda and attacking people at random, with no substance, isn’t supporting your argument.

Being born somewhere doesn’t define your ethnicity or cultural identity, and outside of Jus Solis countries it doesn’t determine your citizenship either.

There are probably a dozen different ethnic groups in Nigeria. I don't think you have Igbo on the British census. And yet, they exist.

I actually never claimed the census was an authority on which groups are or aren't ethnic groups, what a strange idea. I was firstly just pointing out that I'm not in fact lying. If I've read it incorrect then I'm happy to correct myself. And secondly pointing out that it's not remotely controversial that the Welsh are an ethnic group, it's recognized as such by the UK and Welsh governments and no doubt was by the EU also. Yet we have many people on this thread denying it.

He's Welsh. Both his parents are Welsh so he is Welsh regardless of where he was born.

If his parents were French and he was born in England no one would question that he was French?

Actually I don’t think nationality is defined by citizenship. I have a British passport through marriage to DH, but as my SIL once said to me, “You may have the passport, but you will never be British.” I also have naturalized where we live. I would never tell someone that I am “from” X country, which I think implies roots and identity. My own nationality is my first passport country where I was born, raised, and have a rooted sense of belonging.

Of course, for my kids, that is far more complicated as their sense of belonging itself is very mixed. They may have the passport of the place we currently live, but if they told family in the UK with a straight face that they are “X-ish” even DH and I are not from there, they weren’t born there, and they don’t speak the local language at home, they would be laughed out of the room. And yet, in spite of those things, they feel as much “X-ish” as they feel British.

🤣🤣 At the dog getting his DNA done. Did you DH know about the Scottish and Irish element? I can't imagine that if you can trace your ancestry back several hundred years in the UK that you wouldn't have some Scottish, Irish or Welsh in you.

So an ethnicity is something that ia recognised by the UK government when collecting census data?

That's the definition?

By this logic one presumes Japanese isnt an ethnicity?

I was born in Scotland and lived most of my life in England. I consider myself British (sitting firmly on the fence!). I support England in football and rugby tournaments, but have a soft spot for the Scottish teams. If England are playing Scotland in anything I don't mind who wins.

If Scotland did go independent and rejoin the EU I would get a passport in an instant!

The difference with me compared to OP's partner is that both my parents are English and I was only born in Scotland due to them having moved there for work.

If they were both Scottish I would consider myself entirely Scottish.

The answer is, therefore, that there is no real clear answer! It's down to personal choice, though I would point out to him that his birth location on his British passport is in England.

He is definitely not half English though. His parents are both Welsh, so (ignoring any family tree above them), genetically he is 100% Welsh. He either considers himself Welsh because of his heritage or English because of his birth location. There is no mix.

Actually they are, their father is as English as they come.

I never said you were lying.

I am pointing out you are entirely wrong about ethnicity being objective when it's entirely subjective. Your example of the UK census proves my point, not yours.

That is just ignorance though. I have a neighbour from the republic and I would never say that. I do wonder why so many think racism etc is an English problem. I would think you would get that anywhere in the UK. I cringe when Americans think the UK is England.

Did I say that? No. The government acknowledging something isn’t the same thing as the government creating or defining something.

I said that Welsh exists as an ethnicity in its own right, and it indeed does.

This was a wind-them-up-and-watch-them-go topic, wasn't it?

They are though, it's so mixed now half of modern day English people probably have Welsh/Irish ancestry

His identity is who he is. He identifies as Welsh. He is Welsh. Leave him alone! Why are you so set on imposing englishness on him. He is not English. He does not want to be English. You are bullying him into denying his nationality. It is abusive. Stop it.