To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

He’s Welsh . Born to Welsh parents living in England.

White South Africans, are not ethnically African. Dutch, or somewhere around there I guess.

You get lots of South Africans with French sounding names. They are of Huguenot descent.

I could probably have a go at this, as I have three passports. I am legally 100% each country. In terms of my identity, if I had to line them up in order of which I identify with most strong, I'd have no trouble doing it.

It's actually a really awful position to be in and I hate that question myself. I eventually have accepted that I actually have no true home country where I fully belong, even though my identity with my country is origin is strong. I belong everywhere and nowhere.

This was our situation. Certain posters on here would argue with me that my husband and I am most definitely Cornish. But the DNA shows otherwise. I have some Cornish DNA, my husband who is multi generational’Cornish’ isn’t Cornish at all. So this idea that those people who live there definitely have genetic differences is just not true. People migrate, they always have done. Hence why we all came from Africa originally.

As noted above, both of your parents can be Welsh and of Chinese ethnicity.

Does that make you ethnically Welsh, in your worldview?

(Also, Welsh is not listed as an ethnic group on the census: you can be Asian Welsh, Black Welsh, White Welsh etc. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/bulletins/ethnicgroupenglandandwales/census2021)

He’s Welsh, born to two Welsh parents. That’s what he identifies as, and is.

If you want to consider yourself English that’s up to you, but you can’t make the same decision for him or anyone else.

What do you think is the difference between the terms nation and state?

British and Welsh, although he will identify the most with British as that is where he was raised .

My kids have three nationalities. My husband and I were born and raised in different counties and our kids were born and are being raised in England . They have three passports and three nationalities .

If being Welsh is "nothing special" or different to being English. So it's just "White people" lmao. You telling me if I showed an olive skinned dark brown dark eyes man and a tall blonde , blue eyes, very pale man you wouldn't tell who is Swedish and who is Portuguese?

Then I guess I am Somali , Nigerian, Black Brazilian, Dominican and of course everyone in East-Asia is just chinese.

Forget his nationality.

Does he frequently get really angry and shout at you like that if you make a mistake? That's the bigger issue.

Does he know of you have children they won't be Welsh?

It's not clear from your posts that you don't share those dangerous and incendiary views because you refuse to clarify what you think. Why won't you? Why are you lying about things like what's on the census?

My parents are Welsh, I'm English. Does that mean I should hold some sort of grudge against my own nation because I'm ethnically Welsh?

I don't think I implied any obligation, just that it's not surprising when Welsh people don't like hearing from English people that their ethnicity doesn't exist and that they are clinging on to post-colonial victimhood.

No, you couldn't tell from those descriptions who is Swedish and who is Portuguese. Correct.

It's not something anyone else gets an opinion on. If it's not obvious though people are going to make assumptions.

My parents are from one country, I was born in another country then spent most of my life in England.

My OH is Tamil heritage but was born in England and identifies as British. You'd be brave to suggest otherwise

And swearing blind that if both your parents are Welsh you ARE of Welsh ethnicity. Someone doesn’t understand genetics, clearly!

I was comparing English and Welsh. Comparing a Spaniard to a Norwegian is like comparing apple and pears.

Belgian maybe then, Afrikaans is close to Dutch/Flemish

If 'we all came from Africa originally' were an argument against the existence of ethnic groups, there would be no ethnic groups. The entire field of population genetics wouldn't exist. Your personal history is irrelevant. Not everyone is you, or your husband.

People have not always migrated at the same pace and over the same distances throughout all of human history. You know this.

I know someone who had one citizenship, of what at that time was a very white country. Her skin was quite dark on account of her mother's heritage. People would ask her where she was from and she'd have fun with it. She was every bit as much a citizen of that country as the person asking was. She used to enjoy telling people she was from all sorts of exotic places. I hope in this day and age people realise the world is so diverse you can't assume anything (and never really should have).

What she DID to her husband was make a mistake to her friend.
The rational response to his loved one was "before I could finish he looked at me confused and said "what? I'm Welsh. Mom and Dad are Welsh so I'm Welsh. Like Joanna Lumley, she's English despite being born in India
I can't believe we've never discussed this".

If OP had argued, which she didn't, he'd have been within rights to firmly state "it's my nationality and my family, please don't decide who I am for me".

She isn't the one acting in a damaging way.

I will give it a go. I can't think of what else I want from my birthday. I do seem to get the impression that if you arent descended from the original Celts (who btw came from Switzerland area) then you are lesser which is obviously a dangerous thought.

Hmmm. Why does this rule only go for certain countries? My grandparents were both from a different country, but their children (my father and his siblings) were born in England and have British passports, therefore they call themselves British.

I think someone is accusing me of lying about Welsh being an ethnic group option on the census. I got that information from here:

List of ethnic groups - GOV.UK (ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk)

Reads clearly to me and it's from 2021. Of course, it would be an ethnic group whether any particular government put it on the census or not.

So what makes someone "genetically Welsh"?

And what makes ones parents Welsh?

Are the ethnic groups listed on the census objective? Based on what?

The only way you can know what ethnic group somebody is from (by the way that is measured on the census) is by asking them. It's entirely subjective and based on how you identify. The whole concept is subjective.