To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

To be fair it sounds like the OP is making it her crusade to insist he’s English, further more by starting a MN post about it. He sounds completely frustrated.

So the man who was born in England and not set foot in Wales but has a Welsh father is Welsh and my kids who were born and bred in Wales but have an English father are English! Going by this logic the OP best go and ask her DP to research his paternal family tree as far back as he can. My children will never describe themselves as English so it’s a moot point.

Welsh is an ethnic group and they are biologically and genetically distinguishable from the English

Except in all the situations when is isn't.

There are a lot of people making pronouncments they don't understand here!

I’m with you OP, I don’t get the whole ‘you are what you identify with’, it doesn’t make sense. I know someone whose mum was born in Ireland then moved to the U.K. when she was a toddler. Her son, who has never been to Ireland, says he’s Irish. I don’t get it at all. I also don’t get what is so wrong with being English or being British.

Why is welsh or Cornish not on any official ethnicity forms then? @Pollyputhekettleon

Ah I can't believe I said English accidentally just once and this is the result.

How so?

I would be inclined to say he is just British but given OP asked Welsh or English. Then English. He was born in England.

I have lived abroad and in England and Wales. My children were born in England and we live in Wales now. The kids are 2.5. But are English even though they will grow up in Wales. I don’t seE how I’m wrong tbh ?

Our cat has just given birth in the stables. That won’t make her kittens horses!

Welsh

No, that’s race. Ethnicity is different.

Welsh is an ethnicity, separate to English. Put simply, the English are Anglo-Saxon, the Welsh Celtic.

I'm in one of the colonies and I don't feel my citizenship of that colony attaches me personally in any way to any of the British countries, other than that the country is a member of the Commonwealth. I suppose if it did I'd feel more connected to the English side of it? I don't though, as my ancestors all came from a non-Commonwealth country that isn't a colony of GB. It would be interesting to ask my DH the same question as he does have British heritage (probably more Scots, but further back).

I can't answer that question or say how you should identify. What makes sense to you?

I don't think being Welsh is an ethnicity otherwise I presume you would be totally different to the English? Aside from the language and maybe being slightly more Celtic (although English do have some Celtic DNA) you aren't any different?

But tracing your roots back really far surely shouldn’t have an impact? My family tree is very varied, my grandparents are from different countries and their parents/grandparents are from even further afield.

it’s irrelevant, I am English. Tracing it back to distant relatives is irrelevant. How far back do you trace it?

I would say that he is English with Welsh heritage. If he was born in Sydney to Welsh parents, lived in Australia his whole life, went to Australian schools, had an Australian accent, I would say he was Australian with Welsh heritage.

I suspect that wouldn't be as offensive to him though. I think his problem is probably because of the history with English/Welsh.

You'd have to ask whoever produces those forms. I'm not even sure what forms you means. But, seriously, just google Welsh and ethnicity. This is actually why people like him get so upset at their Welshness being disputed. There are so many people who are genuinely unaware they exist as an ethnic group. It's upsetting for people who belong to an ethnic group that was colonized by another to be told by members of the colonizing ethnic group that they don't exist.

Country of birth is England, nationality is English, National identity is Welsh by the sounds of it. British.

Well we don't consistently vote in right wing governments for a start.

Place of birth doesn’t change ethnicity, and unless you’re born in a country that practices Jus Solis as opposed to Jus Sanguinis, it doesn’t determine your citizenship either.

Cornish is on the census (we tick it every year!). But I still wouldn’t consider it an ethnicity.

Actually that is simplistic and now being found to be untrue as the English have more Celtic blood than previously thought in that they inter married with the British. It still isn't an ethnicity to me. You aren't really any different to most Northern Europeans.

I grew up in Asia where plenty of Brits (with a British mother and a British father) born and raised there and speaking the local language (bilingual) called themselves British. Don't think they'd have been pleased with you telling them they'd never be British no matter their fantasies!

Google it.

@Pollyputhekettleon

Thank youu! No every white person can be Welsh ethnically. There's not even such thing as "race" , it's basically a bunch of different ethnicities grouped together.

Doubt the Greeks , Icelandic and Czech have the same ethnicities. Or Somalis and Yorubas.

Genetically different and distinct in DNA from what I've read!

The only time I can tell the difference is the Welsh accent. Some people have swallowed some rubbish here.