To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

He's Welsh by ethnicity because both parents are Welsh. It doesn't matter in the slightest what other Welsh people would think about him.

He is Welsh. His passport is British which is his nationality as part of the United Kingdom but he is Welsh. Doesn't matter where he was born or brought up, it follows his paternal line. Welsh, not English.

My father is British. English but British, fully English going way back as far as I've researched. My mother was born in Northern Rhodesia (now Zambia). She is not Rhodesian/Zambian despite growing up there, the Belgian Congo (Zaire and now one or other Congo), schooling in South Africa and living fifty years in England. She is Albanian, following her father's line as he was Albanian from his father (though his mother was Greek). Her mother was French-Belgian. Except she isn't. She is British through marriage to my father... I, too, was born in Zambia but I am British (father's line) and have spent all my life, from 10 weeks of age, in England. I am.not Zambian nor am I Albanian.

I married somebody fully French (Breton but French) and had two daughters. They would be either French or British depending on if I were male or female despite having more French ancestry...the children they might have will be the nationality of their father.

Nb the French do not allow dual nationality except to children born to dual nationals. Technically my children could choose to have dual nationality and both passports - an option not open to the French parent who could only rescind French nationality and become British through marriage or remain French while the British parent could take French nationality if rescinding British (from the French side) although the British government would allow both to take dual nationality.

So yeah, he is Welsh. Assuming that his father's line were Welsh before him...

Lmao. So everyone's English? Come on a trip with me to Montserrat, we don't even speak English, but creole. But somehow we are still British. We have our own food, traditions and loooove St Patrick's day.

It's insulting to think the other countries in the UK don't have their own pride and culture.

Your children are English. Your nationality is dependant on whether your Father was Welsh or your Mother was.

Yup. They might be culturally Welsh but they're English. You can't change ethnicity because you're white. English kids in Wales.

English. Born in England = English

I would say welsh as both parents are welsh. My in laws are both welsh but my husband was born in England as that happens to be where they lived at the time. That doesn't mean he isn't Welsh. (he would divorce me if i said otherwise, but honestly i agree)

It's not so simple as a single definition - which is why people can identify as they wish regarding their nationality within the UK.

Using the famous political example - when Wales play England, who does he support?

Your partner identifies as Welsh, and so he is right.

If born in England=English, does that mean people born of Welsh parents, that have lived in Wales all their life, but whose mother happened to be in England when she went into labour, are English?

...to add to my previous post, ethnically I am a mix of (at least and in order of precedence) English, Albanian, Greek, French, Belgian with zero points awarded for being born in Zambia or growing up in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Legally he's British. Then it's entirely up to him whether he wants to identify as Welsh or English. Neither would be wrong.

Legally, no. Or are you another one who believes anyone born in England is entitled to English citizenship?

It's really odd to be so invested in trying to prove your partner wrong about their own identity.

I accept about being wrong about saying 'half Welsh'. What I meant by this is that he's part Welsh because his parents were Welsh, but part English because he was born in England, raised in England, still to this day lives in England, speaks English, never lived in Wales, has no living relatives in Wales......so to me he's part English, part Welsh. I should have used the word 'part' not 'half'. I've apolohised and explained this to him last night. He got angry again and said "I AM WELSH AND ONLY* WELSH!!!!! I AM NOT IN ANY WAY ENGLISH!!!"*

Nah, he's being ridiculous - he's never even lived in wales? Born and raised in England? I'd consider him English with Welsh heritage but I guess it's just "edgier" to be Welsh.

Unfortunately these threads always turn into English-bashing with snide comments such as "only an English person would say that" and "why do English people find this so hard to understand" Imagine if these comments were reversed"?

Anyway, English or Welsh your DP sounds like a bit of a dick OP - with possible anger issues. I wouldn't be apologising to him for shouting at me like that about an innocent mistake. Who bloody cares what nationality he is? But I guess he wants to feel "special".

Nonsense. I was born in India because my British parents were working there at the time. I'm not Indian, I'm British.

Just ask him which rugby team he supports - that us all there is to it!

There no such thing as English citizenship - do keep up 😉

(Completely on board with the point you are making though)

So if your English parents happened to be on holiday in Wales when you were born that world make you Welsh?? BS!

The man says he's Welsh, so he's Welsh. The fact that the OP is trying to use MN as some kind of gotcha to prove to her partner otherwise I find disgusting.

As incorrect as it is possible to be.

Damnit I knew someone would catch that! 😂

‘Edgier’ 😂 For god’s sake.

And you have strong, specific (weird) opinions for someone who doesn’t care what his nationality is.

This is not funny. You have no right to erase her identity! Accent is not the same thing as nationality at all. You do not come off well from this.

My youngest brother was born in St David's hospital Bangor North Wales when my father was at University ( mature student). His parents are English . I dare say, if he was any good at sport , that he could possibly play for Wales but he is definitely English. My husbands 2 oldest siblings were born in Egypt whilst their father ( parents both English) was building pea canning factories. The Suez crisis meant they had to leave in a hurry. They joke, at family gatherings, that they are Egyptian. They don't think for one minute that they really are.

Very true. The Welsh support two teams in rugby; Wales and anyone that are playing against England 🤣

OP why do you care so much?