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WEF - Conspiracy Theory?

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Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 14:28

Every so often, someone in comments will mention the WEF and a torrent of responses follows; memes of tinfoil hat-wearers, insults etc.

I'm very interested in politics; I read around all of the papers, news sites etc.
From what I understand there are valid reasons for people to be concerned about the WEF. I want to post some FACTS, along with sources, about the WEF and then I would love to hear what other people think. If I am a "conspiracy nut" for having concerns and thinking the public should know much more about this then please enlighten me.

The WEF exists. Here is its website.
The World Economic Forum (weforum.org)
It holds meetings at Davos each year. Members consist of politicians, owners of corporations & social media and others.
The WEF was created by Klaus Schwab. He is the Chairman of the WEF.
Klaus Schwab - Wikipedia
He wrote a book called Covid 19, the Great Reset. It is currently available on Amazon. I have read it. It calls for the opportunity which has arisen through the pandemic to be used to change the way the world is run, bringing in a system of "stakeholder capitalism". In this system, democracy becomes of lesser importance and decisions are taken by corporations in conjunction with the UN.
You can read a more complex explanation here:
Conspiracy theories aside, there is something fishy about the Great Reset - resilience
The WEF have a programme of "Young Global Leaders". You can read about them here on the WEF's own site:
What are Young Global Leaders and what impact can they have? | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)
Young global leaders have included Angela Merkel, Tony Blair, Emanuel Macron, Jacinda Ardern, Justin Trudeau and many more.
In 2017 Klaus Schwab stated on video that the WEF had "penetrated the Cabinets" of governments around the world and that over half of Canada's Government, including Trudeau were Young Global Leaders.

(1:08:30) You can see MP's profiles on the WEF website by searching their name followed by WEF. Some are there. Some are not. Sunak and Starmer are both listed. Starmer is on video saying he prefers Davos to Westminster. The WEF Wikepedia page states: In May 2020, the WEF and the Prince of Wales's Sustainable Markets Initiative launched "The Great Reset" project, a five-point plan to enhance sustainable economic growth following the global recession caused by the COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns.[128] "The Great Reset" was to be the theme of WEF's annual meeting in August 2021. The forum defines the system that it wants to create as "Stakeholder Capitalism". The Transnational Institute describes the World Economic Forum's main purpose as being "to function as a socializing institution for the emerging global elite, globalization's "Mafiocracy" of bankers, industrialists, oligarchs, technocrats and politicians. They promote common ideas, and serve common interests: their own." According to the European Parliament's think tank, critics see the WEF as an instrument for political and business leaders to "take decisions without having to account to their electorate or shareholders".[163] Since 2009, the WEF has been working on a project called the Global Redesign Initiative (GRI), which proposes a transition away from intergovernmental decision-making towards a system of multi-stakeholder governance. According to the Transnational Institute (TNI), the Forum is hence planning to replace a recognised democratic model with a model where a self-selected group of "stakeholders" make decisions on behalf of the people.

I could go on (I realise I already have 🙂) but I'm saying I don't remember any of us being consulted about having democracy taken away so we could be ruled by corporations. This is not about anti-vaxx, lizard people or anything else. As far as I can see this is a very serious affront to our freedom and democracy. AIBU?

The World Economic Forum

The World Economic Forum is an independent international organization committed to improving the state of the world by engaging business, political, academic and other leaders of society to shape global, regional and industry agendas. Incorporated as a...

https://www.weforum.org/

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KrisAkabusi · 05/09/2023 15:37

Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 15:12

@KrisAkabusi Have you read the articles on the links I posted? The WEF would like to move towards a "stakeholder capitalism" form of Government where big corporations make decisions and individual Governments are consulted but no longer have the final say. Their Young Global Leaders are also, in Schwab's words, "penetrating the cabinets" of Governments around the world.

Nobody is saying that they don't exist or that they don't have meetings. What I'm saying is that what you're saying is happening isn't happening. You claim that they exist to reduce your democratic rights. I'm saying is that there has been one opportunity to change democracy, not even reduce it, and it didn't occur. If that's the aim, they're not very effective. People have been saying that there's a secret organisation controlling the world for centuries. First it was the Jews, then the Builder berg group, now it's the WEF. It's just the latest iteration from people that don't want to admit that they, personally, have very little power.

Custardcreamking · 05/09/2023 15:39

davos, young global leaders, covid lockdowns etc might be happening, but it does not follow that the reasons behind these things are overwhelming sinister and it is a means to control you and big companies want to turn us all into robots. It’s that bit that’s a conspiracy theory.

take AI. Would you rather companies went hell for leather at making a big a profit as possible, or the hit together to discuss concerns about how the proliferation of AI could harm humanity and what limits need to be put in place. I’d rather companies and countries collaborate on these things.

is COP a global supremacy thing too?

wutheringkites · 05/09/2023 15:42

Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 15:36

@wutheringkites I don't want corporations making any decisions at all about our Government. That is why we have a vote.

But which specific decisions do you think they have made or are trying to make?

You said you have read widely on this but can't give a specific example of something that should be a govt policy, being a corporate objective instead.

Without specifics then it is just alarmist conspiracy theory nonsense.

IClaudine · 05/09/2023 15:43

Can you explain what powers the WEF has to impose on the UK the changes it advocates?

FOJN · 05/09/2023 15:44

I have no idea what is really going on but when I look at how multinational corporations are influencing society and trying to set policy I am concerned about where we are heading.

Some people think everything is a conspiracy theory and dismiss anyone who dares to ask questions which surprises after the Twitter file revelations.

Just take a look at the DEI initiatives are used to debank, and effectively un-person, anyone with the wrong opinions.

Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 15:46

The last 2 posters have just reverted to lazy comments again, saying that I have said things that I haven't. But what I have said is there in black and white and even out of the mouth of Klaus Schwab. Does it not concern you even a little bit that they are saying they have, "penetrated the cabinets" of Governments around the world? Or that Klaus says that over half of the Government of Canada are Young Global Leaders? They are relying on people like you to dismiss anyone who thinks this seems undemocratic. Why so hasty to try to put me down when I have presented a bunch of indisputable and interesting facts.

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Custardcreamking · 05/09/2023 15:48

I certainly think the likes of BP and companies that own large office blocks in the UK hold influence in the UK government. Water companies too. Guess what? We can vote this rancid government out at the next election.

IClaudine · 05/09/2023 15:48

What power does Klaus Schwab actually have over other countries, OP?

Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 15:48

@IClaudine So the WEF works to place it's associates into position in Governments. They then can affect policy in whichever way they desire. These same people meet at Davos with huge corporations where decisions are made through the Global Redesign Initiative and these are fed back and become Government policy.

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KrisAkabusi · 05/09/2023 15:49

that Klaus says that over half of the Government of Canada are Young Global Leaders?

But why is this a bad thing? Why is it so terrible that politicians are young, visible and interested in the world as a whole rather than just their corner of it? I'd prefer a young global leader over Jacob Rees Mogg any day!

Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 15:50

@Custardcreamking You are correct. Corporate WEF associates include Exxonmobil.

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Custardcreamking · 05/09/2023 15:52

But I don’t think we are powerless. We can vote in politicians with intergrity.

Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 15:52

@IClaudine He is the Chairman of the WEF which has just signed an agreement with the UN (see my pp) to deepen institutional engagement and jointly accelerate the implementation of the 2030 Agenda". He has a huge amount of power.

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DontLeanOnTheKeyboard · 05/09/2023 15:53

They meet. They may want it. It doesn’t mean it will happen.

And to be perfectly honest with you, so called ‘democracy’ has the country right in the shit currently. You’re deluded if you don’t thing this kind of thing already goes on everywhere. You’re literally posting on a forum that shows adverts of what might interest you.

Literally just had this bs from my elderly mother over the weekend ‘wake up, sheeple’ FFS, you lot wake up and put your energy into something that is currently happening, like the Director of Ofgem having close ties with 2 of the big energy companies, or govt blagging it with dodgy concrete and interfering with our kids’ education, or subsidised meals and alcohol in Westminster, or NHS privatisation by stealth….

Or any number of things that ARE HAPPENING NOW, really happening.

And what’s the big problem with everyone having ID? Unless you wish to break the law I see no problem in it.

Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 15:53

@Custardcreamking The problem is, many of the Labour Party are also WEF members. Not all.

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Whatswhatwhichiswhich · 05/09/2023 15:54

How exactly do you think the WEF are going to take away your democratic rights? It would not be allowed to happen. The world is more than just governments and people the world over would not allow a change like that. It can’t just happen and you need to put up with it, the world doesn’t work like that. You’re getting sucked into being scared that someone is going to strip you of your rights, something that hasn’t yet happened and would not happen.

Whatswhatwhichiswhich · 05/09/2023 15:55

Also, if the WEF have solutions to poverty, hunger, collapsing health care and a job market so scarce it’s practically non existent, what’s your issue with that?

heldinadream · 05/09/2023 15:56

I like the idea that we, collectively, the human race, are working towards world government and cooperation OP.

Better that than Putin/war/conflict.

That WEF etc lot are not perfect but they do not have the power to de-democratise, and nor do they intend to. It will come about through democracy, talk, slow development of which they are a part, but so are we. Yes I know all sorts of things wrong all over the place. But they, too, are just people, mostly well-intentioned, talking and making ideas come to fruition and wrangling with each other's governments and systems. You can (and doubtless will) pull this apart, I wrote it very quickly I'm not spending time explaining it properly!

Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 15:57

@KrisAkabusi 😂😂😂 I like this comment! And yes, if you wanted our Government to be a managerial wing of a supranational group then you could vote for them. But don't you feel it would be honest of them to come out and say, "My decisions are affected by the fact that I am an WEF member". Why is there never any mention of this on the BBC? We should all know all about this so people know who they are voting for.

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Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 15:58

@Whatswhatwhichiswhich I'm sorry it's already happening. Check the WEF website and the agreement they signed with the UN. They are relying on people being complacent or ignorant.

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Custardcreamking · 05/09/2023 15:58

They are just professional lobbyists. It’s been happening for decades, centuries. This current government is neck deep in corruption- working daily against the will of the public. But they are going to get booted out next year, and that’s a good thing.

Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 15:59

@Whatswhatwhichiswhich No taxation without representation. I want the right to vote for whoever rules over me.

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EmilyBrontesGhost · 05/09/2023 15:59

Whatswhatwhichiswhich · 05/09/2023 15:54

How exactly do you think the WEF are going to take away your democratic rights? It would not be allowed to happen. The world is more than just governments and people the world over would not allow a change like that. It can’t just happen and you need to put up with it, the world doesn’t work like that. You’re getting sucked into being scared that someone is going to strip you of your rights, something that hasn’t yet happened and would not happen.

In March 2020 all of our rights were removed in an instant and without even a vote in Parliament.

Goldmember · 05/09/2023 15:59

IClaudine · 05/09/2023 15:24

The sort of people who think the WEF, the Great Reset etc. are operating some sort sinister takeover are usually the same people who said lockdown would last forever and the vaccinated would be dead within a year.

And that it's all run by the Jewish overlords and Hilary Clinton is raping and murdering children in a pizza shop 🙄

KrisAkabusi · 05/09/2023 16:01

Lazyusername · 05/09/2023 15:58

@Whatswhatwhichiswhich I'm sorry it's already happening. Check the WEF website and the agreement they signed with the UN. They are relying on people being complacent or ignorant.

FFS! If they want people to be ignorant WHY ARE THEY PUTTING IT ON THEIR WEBSITE!!! Why do they have a website at all if it's supposed to be a big secret? You asked earlier why isn't their media coverage of politicians being members of the WEF. Come to Ireland, there is. Every time a politician goes to Davos its on the main news bulletins and every newspaper. Because it's not a secret. It's not something that they are hiding.