Police shoot pregnant woman dead (USA)

[SuddenlyOld]

Ok America, since when did it become normal for police officers to point guns at pregnant women accused of shoplifting?
She didn't have a weapon or get violent. Turns out she hadn't stolen anything either.
If I was black in America I'd be scared to go out 😪😪😪
This is probably the worst thing I've seen ever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408

To answer your question about her age and the car. The police are trained (and most adult become attuned) to something out of the ordinairy. A 21 Year old be they male female, black, white or purple with pink spots, driving a £50k plus car is unusual. We alllook at how a person dresses, how the hair is cut and numerous other things to judge anothers likely personal situation. Police are even more attuned to it.

Are you saying that US police officers are trained to judge people's guilt on their appearance?

I'm sorry but I find that utterly abhorrent.

It’s completely irrelevant if statistically drivers drive off faster after an altercation with the police. You really are scrapping the bottom of the barrel now

No I am saying that officers, be they American, British or any other Country use their experience & training to notice things outside the ordinairy and use that information as part of investigation. Nothing to hide. Then do as instructed by the police and off you go to enjoy the rest of your day. Well that is provided you haven't just commited a crime or there is a warrant out for your arrest.

It is incredibly relevant. A driver in an agitated state is considerably more likely to have a collision. In a shopping centre the victim of that collision has a higher chance of being a pedestrian.

To answer your question about her age and the car. The police are trained (and most adult become attuned) to something out of the ordinairy. A 21 Year old be they male female, black, white or purple with pink spots, driving a £50k plus car is unusual.

No you said LOW INCOME.

We all look at how a person dresses, how the hair is cut and numerous other things to judge anothers likely personal situation. Police are even more attuned to it.

( And I suppose thats when the stereotyping happens )

You know it took barely 2 mins of shouting through a blacked window before she was shot? When did they make this assessment?

Now you combine a car that doesn't look a likely fit for the driver. An allegation of theft. A refusal to follow an order from an officer and then an attempt to leave the scene. Doesn't that begin to sound like a person who has disregard for the law.

Is that when you shoot them?

Moving on to me stating her previous interactions with the police. She should know better than most that behaving the way she did was never going to end well.

And? Being uncooperative gets you shot? Her responsibility to manage the situation?

End well - caution ? End well - arrest ? End well - Blasted to smithereens?

It didn't end well because the useless police officers fucked up.

@CallumDansTransitVan

It is incredibly relevant. A driver in an agitated state is considerably more likely to have a collision. In a shopping centre the victim of that collision has a higher chance of being a pedestrian.

Well, I suppose we can speculate all day about the traffic crimes this person who hadn't shop lifted, was about to go off and possibly commit.

Just as we watched the policeman in an agitated state blast someone at point blank range.

the police do not or should shot someone dead because statistically they might drive faster 🙄

Ham I have not said it would never happen. I’ve said it’s less likely to happen and going on stats are white middle aged women approached by police as often as young black women or accused of shop lifting. I’ve spent enough time in the US (immediate family live there in multicultural city) to know just how divided the country is, how deeply racist it is (not saying the UK isn’t it certainly is) and the gun issues. Just look at the shockingly high numbers of homeless in California and how overwhelmingly they are black people, the jails, the wealth distribution and so on

Let's be honest, the elephant in the room that nobody ever wants to address in these discussions is why the police are more suspicious and jumpy around certain ethnicities. The clear reason is because some demographics are over represented in crime statistics and gun crime.

We recognise that this is partly down to socio-economic factors that other more privileged demographics don't face to the same degree, and likely has roots in slavery and historical oppression, but the stats are the stats.

Racial profiling can be ugly but if you want to catch people carrying knives/guns do you search 100 Eton schoolboys or 100 youths from Hackney? The police know the answer to this.

Then do as instructed by the police and off you go to enjoy the rest of your day. Well that is provided you haven't just commited a crime or there is a warrant out for your arrest.

Do you get shot if there is a warrant out for your arrest?

Do police always shoot people who don't do as they are instructed, and aren't compliant, and do kick off?

Dear God @CallumDansTransitVan you're trying to make this sound like it's a perfectly ordinary, logical event.

We know it's not. It wouldn't be on the news if it was. It wouldn't be all over SM if it was. The community wouldn't be protesting if it was.

But you carry on explaining. Nothing to see here.

Low income was covered in dress, hair and I dare say overall demeanour and they way a person speaks. We all make these judgements in an instant even just looking at someone.

Yes being uncooperative when a olice officer is pointing a gun at you could well end up with you being shot.

Ended Well. No police officer was seriously injured or killed
Ended Well. No member of the public was injured or killed by somebody trying to escape the police.

HRTQueen
Just recently in the UK there was some backlash about the likelihood of serious injuries to scooter riders being brought to a tactical stop by the police due to potential injuries. It was decided it better to injure them than to allow them to continue riding like lunatics and risk innocent members of the public.

and going on stats are white middle aged women approached by police as often as young black women or accused of shop lifting.

Do you think white middle aged women feature highly in theft statistics?

Or do as your instructed even with the warrant out or the fact you just commited a crime and the officers would have no reason to bring out guns.

Don't go throwing logic into the mix!😀

That is the police acting on behaviour of driving a scooter dangerously not that they might drive their scooter dangerously

No the police have to have reasonable grounds to stop and search you. Being a young black man who happens to be in Hackney isn’t one of them

So you think driving a 2 ton car in the direction of one officer while another is at your passenger window. Both are shouting for you to stop is not driving dangerously???

What have I missed has the poster who is telling posters to f off okay has she lost it??

Low income was covered in dress, hair and I dare say overall demeanour and they way a person speaks. We all make these judgements in an instant even just looking at someone.

No I don't need a how to lecture. I'm talking about this case. These police barely had eyes on this girl through blacked out glass before they shot her. I don't think profiling judgement has any credibility. Had they even seen her before they were shouting at her?

Yes being uncooperative when a olice officer is pointing a gun at you could well end up with you being shot.

Clearly. Doesn't make it CORRECT or appropriate. It's not an explanation for anything other than poor trigger happy policing.