Police shoot pregnant woman dead (USA)

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Ok America, since when did it become normal for police officers to point guns at pregnant women accused of shoplifting?
She didn't have a weapon or get violent. Turns out she hadn't stolen anything either.
If I was black in America I'd be scared to go out 😪😪😪
This is probably the worst thing I've seen ever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408

So the 'racist' cop was actually trying to shoot a white man who he believed was holding a black man hostage?

That's why I never take these stories at face value.

So they were actually attempting to save the life of black man but accidentally shot him due to firing from over 150ft away.

His life was never in danger.

Dunno.. do you have any excuses/extenuating circumstances for Wayne Couzens too?

Not a white man btw. The autistic service user was hispanic.

Well, the cop referred to him as 'white'.

Either way, your example of egregious police racism is a policeman trying to rescue a black man whose life he erroneously thought was in danger from a white man.

Really? A white 21yr mum of 2 with another on the way driving around in a car without plates who started to steal booze but left it down in the end then refused to comply with police instead tried to flee despite the fact that one of them was standing in front of her car wouldn't be judged? Really?

I was a white 21 year old mother of 1 and was judged harshly by people all of the time and I didn't do anything other than quietly exist with my kid.

It is incredibly easy to sit in front of a laptop or phone screen here in the UK and say how terrible. Those bad policemen. They had no idea of her ongoing intentions when she decided to refuse to get out of the car when requested and then attempted to drive away.

They had no idea if once out of that parking space she wouldn't accelerate through that shopping area car park and potentially hit an innocent bystander.

They had no idea had she escaped the car park that in her heightened state she wouldn't carry out dangerous manouvers out on the road and cause a collision.

Now if innocent members of the public had been injured or worse killed, people would now be sitting saying why didn't they shoot her when they had the chance. You know damned if you do, damned if you don't.

As it stands the only person who suffered that day was the lady herself. While incredibly sad, I feel the correct decision was made.

her way, your example of egregious police racism is a policeman trying to rescue a black man whose life he erroneously thought was in danger from a white man.

Is that why they cuffed the black man and didn't promptly offer him medical assistance? They were still rescuing him right?

Judged by the police for being a criminal

treated more harshly by the police because you are white

I would agree if you are saying white and from a traveller background (in the UK)

I'm really judgemental towards these policemen.

I'm not sure what they would have had to do to warrant criticism from some posters.

They escalated this situation in about 2 minutes and then blasted this girl . They represent law and order.,

No, he was just an unthinkably depraved sexual predator who, unlike most, happened to be a policeman. Zero relevance to race relations.

I don't think this discussion is going anywhere good. There are definitely issues with the police and race, particularly in the US, but a lot of people are also happy to stir things up even in cases where the police were actually trying to save a black man's life.

I'm happy to challenge genuine injustice but trying to manufacture it is a poor show IMO and just fuels these kind of negative interactions with the police which often end up with fatalities, generally not involving the people who stirred it up on social media.

And btw , you didn't necessarily asked for videos that prove racism.

I've yet to see a video of a calm and cooperative person being gunned down.

Ofc it's all misunderstanding and mistakes. Then you changed the goal posts. Then you decide the ethnicity of someone as white, when they are not so.

And so on.

Why the hell do I do this to myself?

So, is this now a conspiracy where they plotted to murder him by shooting him in the leg and letting him bleed out so it looked like an accident? 🤔

(I'm only half joking).

I disagree. Shown the same video with the same scenario I would of still said the police made the right decision even if it had been a middle aged white woman.

Removing all physical characteristics of the driver. Imagine you were a family innocently doing some shopping. You start to cross the road, you and your 5 year old child. Suddenly there is a large 2 ton plus car comes flying round the corner and sends you all flying like skittles. If you then find out that the deaths/serious injuries your family suffered were caused by a driver fleeing the police and could of been stopped by an officer shooting him/her. Would you still hold the feeling the police over-reacted?

Lol, obviously not.

But do you have any examples of victims being shot during their rescue , then handcuffed and medical intervention delayed? How does that work?

Even if you take the police officer's interpretation of what went on as gospel, how does that compute?

We're so worried about his safety I just had to shoot the "kidnapper", but I missed and shot the victim so let's cuff him and wait 20 mins before giving medical assistance.

Well said...

I would say imagine the outrage if the victim was a pregnant, white woman.

But it would be almost impossible to imagine a white woman being gunned down by the police, who somehow manage to capture alive white mass murderers but are terrified of a pregnant lady who won't get out of her car.

If people can't see that it's a problem, then they are part of the problem.

But the incident isn’t just about the police actions looking at the whole incident from suspecting she was shoplifting, police being asked to become involved (the shop will have their own security) questions being asked about her car, the polices very aggressive stance towards her and their reaction why such aggression

if she were middle aged white women the whole scenario would have played out differently

we have no idea if she would have driven dangerously and asking a grieving family member would they have preferred the drivers death or their loved ones death of course they will chose the driver. It’s a stupid emotive question

It is incredibly easy to sit in front of a laptop or phone screen here in the UK and say how terrible.
I agree, incredibly easy.

Those bad policemen.
No those unskilled, badly trained policemen. .

uThey had no idea of her ongoing intentions when she decided to refuse to get out of the car when requested and then attempted to drive away.

Yes they had no idea.

*They had no idea if once out of that parking space she wouldn't accelerate through that shopping area car park and potentially hit an innocent bystander.

They had no idea had she escaped the car park that in her heightened state she wouldn't carry out dangerous manouvers out on the road and cause a collision.*

Yes they had no idea. We are moving quickly on to " presumption " here. They had decided that in 2 minutes, that she would do anything like that. a possible shoplifter?

Now if innocent members of the public had been injured or worse killed, people would now be sitting saying why didn't they shoot her when they had the chance. You know damned if you do, damned if you don't.

It would have been appalling . But you're saying that they made that sort of assessment about young pregnant uncooperative girl in their snap judgement of the situation.?

As it stands the only person who suffered that day was the lady herself. While incredibly sad, I feel the correct decision was made.

I think you're very very wrong there.

Her children have suffered. Her entire family have suffered. Her unborn baby has certainly suffered.

The reputation and credibility of the police have suffered.

And personally I think each of those police officers will suffer in some way.

You still haven't answered @CallumDansTransitVan how the police might know the victim was "low income in an expensive car"?

Or how the victim should have " known how to behave " as if that makes the slightest difference , as far as taking responsibility for having your body blasted at point blank range.

Every uncooperative person ( even 21 year old pregnant ones ) in a car ( possible shoplifter ) might hurtle off and run down 5 year olds.

Best shoot them. At point blank range. The shoplifter.

@CallumDansTransitVan

Honestly could you be more apologist for those totally useless policemen?

I'm going to focus on this sentence in your post 'we have no idea if she would have driven dangerously'
That is entirely correct. But I'm confident if you were to look at the majority of similar instances where drivers evade the police, they likely drive fast, aggressively and with disregard for other people.

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To answer your question about her age and the car. The police are trained (and most adult become attuned) to something out of the ordinairy. A 21 Year old be they male female, black, white or purple with pink spots, driving a £50k plus car is unusual. We all look at how a person dresses, how the hair is cut and numerous other things to judge anothers likely personal situation. Police are even more attuned to it.
Now you combine a car that doesn't look a likely fit for the driver. An allegation of theft. A refusal to follow an order from an officer and then an attempt to leave the scene. Doesn't that begin to sound like a person who has disregard for the law.
Moving on to me stating her previous interactions with the police. She should know better than most that behaving the way she did was never going to end well.

@AussieKoala @HRTQueen Sadly, I disagree with you. I think that anyone, from a teenaged new driver to an elderly person, of any ethnicity, could be shot by the police here. This lady’s ethnicity may have increased the likelihood, but see this example from 2017-this lady was calling the police for assistance and she was killed: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/australian-woman-shot-dead-minneapolis-police-officers-after-calling-911-n783581

All we can do is try to reduce our risk by cooperating , there’s still no guarantee that it’ll work.