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Purpledogcollar · 2023-08-28T21:04:21+00:00

I give blood and have always been very pro organ donation. Sadly I have just withdrawn as protest against reproductive organ donation. I can’t support it and am very conflicted as would like to donate other organs. What are your views and is it a hasty decision (although not sure I would change my mind).

roses321 · 29/08/2023 16:10

Mydietstartstomorrow · 29/08/2023 14:18

Firstly I’m very sorry about your fertility situation that is really rough. But I am on mumsnet so was going with the likelihood.

but secondly, it is a very valid question to all those that state they wouldn’t donate their organs, and their reasons would dictate whether or not I respect that. Medical reasons, religious reasons, and the lady that had been forced into prostitution since a young age and wanted to keep what had been so badly used over the years, I get that. But to just say oh I couldn’t bear to be cut up (when you can’t feel a thing or have any awareness of it) but would appreciatively grab a kidney if the need arose is the epitome of hypocrisy. I suspect most on here would take but not give, whether it be for themselves or their child and that’s why I’ve had hardly any response to the question I posed “would you still take an organ if you’d withdrawn from the register” it’s a valid question and whether it makes you question your ethics is your problem

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Well luckily for you I'm not seeking YOUR respect, so I guess that's lucky isn't it.

Couldn't give a fig if you respect me or not.

flaffydaffy · 29/08/2023 16:15

Chersfrozenface · 29/08/2023 16:08

"Reproductive organs aren't on the list because you can't opt-in or opt-out of donating them because these types of donations do not happen."

Do not currently happen. Are not "currently routine", in the words of the NHS Transplant site.

Your consent applies to the future as well as the present, until and unless you withdraw it

If they changed it, how would they manage to slip it past you? There would be a Mumsnet thread immediately. A large one. You wouldn't miss it.

captainjacksparrow · 29/08/2023 16:17

I do appreciate everyone who replied to me.

I suppose @Spendonsend said it best in terms of my view.

in order to achieve “the norm” so many experimental procedures would be needed and I also firmly believe that some doctors will attempt this (regardless of chance of success) which means the people at the heart of this experimentation will be women.

some of whom will be willing participants but many of whom will be vulnerable, exploited and potentially left with irreversible damage in the process.

I suspect this is why many feel so passionately against this being an option.

sometimes, however objectionable, people have to take a stand that will cause consequences for others. It doesn’t mean the stand is wrong though

pickledandpuzzled · 29/08/2023 16:20

There's a lot of knee jerk reaction to the OP here, with no consideration of nuanced and considered positions like that of @Thelnebriati

Medical resources are being squandered on this, at a time when they are scarce. People will have suffered due to the resources used in this experiment.

We are experimenting on non consenting foetuses, if we are implanting them in donated organs.

A womb is not a life saving donation.

Had we still been in the opt in, opt out situation then it may have felt different.

Right now it feels like being a bag of donor tissues.

I've been on the registry since i learned to drive, so about 40years.

I'm not happy about the current position.

flaffydaffy · 29/08/2023 16:22

captainjacksparrow · 29/08/2023 16:17

I do appreciate everyone who replied to me.

I suppose @Spendonsend said it best in terms of my view.

in order to achieve “the norm” so many experimental procedures would be needed and I also firmly believe that some doctors will attempt this (regardless of chance of success) which means the people at the heart of this experimentation will be women.

some of whom will be willing participants but many of whom will be vulnerable, exploited and potentially left with irreversible damage in the process.

I suspect this is why many feel so passionately against this being an option.

sometimes, however objectionable, people have to take a stand that will cause consequences for others. It doesn’t mean the stand is wrong though

Again how does taking a stand against the UK organ donation service affect the researchers and medical teams around the world working on making uterus transplants viable? They aren't linked. As I said before even if the donation service noticed a large decrease in the number of people on the register and linked it to the experimental procedures currently going on, what could they possibly do about it?

roses321 · 29/08/2023 16:23

Tacocatgoatcheesepizza · 29/08/2023 14:28

I have no doubt at all that you judge people for things too. Everyone does.

All the things you list are choices we make for living. Like everyone else I will make some selfish choices there. The difference to me for organ donation is that you’re dead. You are going to be cremated or buried in the ground. There is no life to live. You feel nothing. Why let your now useless organs die with you instead of giving someone else that chance to live? It’s like putting in your will that you want your house and money to be burnt after your death.

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Sorry but why is it that you feel the right to question me on my life choices? I mean do you do this to people at dinner parties or something? What is it with people like you who literally feel entitled enough that they can question other peoples decisions on what they do with their bodies.

My body and organs aren't public property, they're mine. I'm not obliged to donate bits of myself after I've died if I don't want to and the reason is irrelevant really - if I gave you a reason I'd then be putting that up for judgement as to whether you thought it was acceptable or not and who the heck are you to judge???

Get off your horse questioning peoples choices for goodness sake, people like you drive me up the wall because you're happy to mouth off over the internet and ask strangers invasive questions but you'd probably never do it in real life. Who the heck are YOU to question me? The entitlement just blows my mind.

Crunchymum · 29/08/2023 16:23

"Reproductive organs aren't on the list because you can't opt-in or opt-out of donating them because these types of donations do not happen."

Well lets hope if these type of donations ever do become a reality we get the option to update our preferences long before this point?

I haven't changed my preferences at all, I was merely asking a hypothetical question.

I am actually sad that so many people have withdrawn from organ donation over this. I don't want to donate my womb but I still want to be a donor.

thedancingbear · 29/08/2023 16:25

flaffydaffy · 29/08/2023 16:22

Again how does taking a stand against the UK organ donation service affect the researchers and medical teams around the world working on making uterus transplants viable? They aren't linked. As I said before even if the donation service noticed a large decrease in the number of people on the register and linked it to the experimental procedures currently going on, what could they possibly do about it?

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Well, they could recognise it as a protest against the experimental procedures, and decide to stop them. Then again, they may not.

In the meantime, hundreds or even thousands of women and girls could needlessly die (bear in mind we're talking, here, about a 'large decrease' in donors).

PPs may be happy with that. I'm not.

NatashaDancing · 29/08/2023 16:25

ReginaRegina · 29/08/2023 15:35

Tbf you could say single sex changing rooms are a want rather than a need.

What a ridiculous comment.

NatashaDancing · 29/08/2023 16:25

ReginaRegina · 29/08/2023 15:34

Rather they use a womb that's going to waste than rent somebody else's womb. 🤷‍♀️

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That's a ridiculous comment too.

Tacocatgoatcheesepizza · 29/08/2023 16:25

roses321 · 29/08/2023 16:23

Sorry but why is it that you feel the right to question me on my life choices? I mean do you do this to people at dinner parties or something? What is it with people like you who literally feel entitled enough that they can question other peoples decisions on what they do with their bodies.

My body and organs aren't public property, they're mine. I'm not obliged to donate bits of myself after I've died if I don't want to and the reason is irrelevant really - if I gave you a reason I'd then be putting that up for judgement as to whether you thought it was acceptable or not and who the heck are you to judge???

Get off your horse questioning peoples choices for goodness sake, people like you drive me up the wall because you're happy to mouth off over the internet and ask strangers invasive questions but you'd probably never do it in real life. Who the heck are YOU to question me? The entitlement just blows my mind.

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You post your choices on the internet and they are literally there for people to question. This is a discussion board.

BillaBongGirl · 29/08/2023 16:26

Sueveneers · 29/08/2023 13:58

We're not the ones smugly and self-righteously sitting in judgement on someone else's choices....

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This is AIBU?
This where you are allowed to say if you think someone’s opinion or choice is unreasonable,
Perhaps AIBU is not for you, it does get a bit tough at times and I don’t think anyone here has gone unchallenged on AIBU?

mumda · 29/08/2023 16:28

To the people saying it's not currently a thing...

What notice we will get when it is?

2teenboys · 29/08/2023 16:28

Personally I think to not be willing to donate an organ to save someone else's life is utterly selfish.

I bet you'd still take one if you needed it!

NatashaDancing · 29/08/2023 16:29

ToWhitToWhoo · 29/08/2023 15:50

OK, up to you; but I don't see how misogyny comes into it.

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I didn't say it was.

But I don't see why I should be guilt tripped into facilitating this type of medical treatment. It's not saving a life.

captainjacksparrow · 29/08/2023 16:30

2teenboys · 29/08/2023 16:28

Personally I think to not be willing to donate an organ to save someone else's life is utterly selfish.

I bet you'd still take one if you needed it!

Actually plenty have said they wouldn’t

roses321 · 29/08/2023 16:32

captainjacksparrow · 29/08/2023 16:30

Actually plenty have said they wouldn’t

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I wouldn't. Definitely not. I think it's playing God to be quite honest and given that humanity are already hell bent on trashing the planet I just don't want to be involved with any of it.

captainjacksparrow · 29/08/2023 16:34

With you there @roses321

BillaBongGirl · 29/08/2023 16:36

Sueveneers · 29/08/2023 15:37

Er, no. Single sex changing rooms are a NEED.

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Righty o, but an infertile woman wanting a baby is a misogynist so you’re taking a stand against her misogyny by refusing to donate organs, letting lots of other women and girls die for lack of a heart, lungs, kidney, liver and so on even though you’d be dead and those organs would just be ash or rotting in the ground.

Are you quite sure you’ve got who is the misogynist right here?

Sueveneers · 29/08/2023 16:37

BillaBongGirl · 29/08/2023 16:36

Righty o, but an infertile woman wanting a baby is a misogynist so you’re taking a stand against her misogyny by refusing to donate organs, letting lots of other women and girls die for lack of a heart, lungs, kidney, liver and so on even though you’d be dead and those organs would just be ash or rotting in the ground.

Are you quite sure you’ve got who is the misogynist right here?

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Er, I think you are confused. This is about MEN. Not infertile women....

And even if it were about women, which it's not, having ethics about artificial reptroduction services is not 'misogynistic'. You might want to learn what misogyny actually means.

flaffydaffy · 29/08/2023 16:39

mumda · 29/08/2023 16:28

To the people saying it's not currently a thing...

What notice we will get when it is?

It would be announced, it would be massive news, and there would be many, many interminable Mumsnet threads about it. You would know about it I promise.

Elphame · 29/08/2023 16:39

captainjacksparrow · 29/08/2023 16:34

With you there @roses321

And me!

Amusingly I was accused of playing "goddess" by saying that I would not be donating my organs.

Flickersy · 29/08/2023 16:40

Sueveneers · 29/08/2023 16:37

Er, I think you are confused. This is about MEN. Not infertile women....

And even if it were about women, which it's not, having ethics about artificial reptroduction services is not 'misogynistic'. You might want to learn what misogyny actually means.

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This discussion has only arisen because a woman made a living donation to her sister.

The only people dragging men into it are conspiracy theorists on the internet who are convinced trans people are going to raid their bodies.

BillaBongGirl · 29/08/2023 16:40

Sueveneers · 29/08/2023 16:37

Er, I think you are confused. This is about MEN. Not infertile women....

And even if it were about women, which it's not, having ethics about artificial reptroduction services is not 'misogynistic'. You might want to learn what misogyny actually means.

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No, you’re the confused one. Uterine transplants into men are not happening. That is the facts. They are not scientifically possible. Some surgeons think we might be able to in as little as the years…that’s a wild ass guess at best.

As good as the same experts that thought Putin would have nuked us by now.

Fact is it’s not happening. You’re just afraid it might happen.

So here and now, it is all about women. You are harming women.

Sueveneers · 29/08/2023 16:41

flaffydaffy · 29/08/2023 16:39

It would be announced, it would be massive news, and there would be many, many interminable Mumsnet threads about it. You would know about it I promise.

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Given how few people knew about the opt in/out change, I doubt it would be massive news.