I’ve withdrawn from organ donation register

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I give blood and have always been very pro organ donation.

Sadly I have just withdrawn as protest against reproductive organ donation. I can’t support it and am very conflicted as would like to donate other organs.

What are your views and is it a hasty decision (although not sure I would change my mind).

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What is misogynistic about transplanting a womb to help an infertile woman?

I don't want to help an infertile woman. Having a baby is a want not a need. That's been my position from when I first opted into donor donation. No eggs, ovaries, womb and no use of tissue for research for infertility.

Everything else, fine, but that's my line in the sand which won't move.

Rather they use a womb that's going to waste than rent somebody else's womb. 🤷‍♀️

Tbf you could say single sex changing rooms are a want rather than a need.

Oh the irony of so many people throwing around the term "hysteria" on a thread where women are concerned about the use of her womb against her wishes 🙄

"Again, yes. Why not? Because a woman was born into the wrong body? I wouldn’t want to deny anyone genuinely wanting a child for the right reasons to not have an opportunity."

No-one is ever born into the wrong body.

The sex of humans, like that of all mammals, is binary and immutable.

A person who is male from conception can never be a woman, whatever cosmetic physical changes that person makes to the appearance of that male body.

That male body is built around the production of small mobile gametes, the sperm, not around the production of large gametes and the gestation and birthing of infants.

Attempting to gestate an infant in a male body is unethical and immoral. Nevertheless I can absolutely guarantee that multiple medical professionals will make the attempt.

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Not really, I did the same.

My body is mine to do with as I see fit. It's not a bag of parts to be handed out after my death. Organ donation should be a gift, not a presumption.

I did the same and agree with what you're saying. Though it was the inability to opt out of donating particular parts that made me opt out entirely. I'll discuss my wishes also with my NOK.

Er, no. Single sex changing rooms are a NEED.

I dont actually think its hypocritical to accept an organ even if you wouldnt donate. The person donating and their family will have thought carefully about their decision to donate and reached a different conclusion to the person who doesnt want to donate. Its ok to respect their decision.

I'm not sure I agree. You'd be taking from the available pool of resources while not contributing and potentially the next person on the list goes without and dies.

7000 men, women and children on the transplant waiting list in the UK right now. Many, many people die while waiting.

As someone who's partner faces a grim downhill trajectory in the future whos only hope at life is a lung transplant. Your decision makes me sad, but it is your decision to make.

The way to gauge public opinion on that would be to propose a rule that only those on the donor register can receive a donated organ.

And watch what happens.

I dont actually think its hypocritical to accept an organ even if you wouldnt donate. The person donating and their family will have thought carefully about their decision to donate and reached a different conclusion to the person who doesnt want to donate. Its ok to respect their decision.

Happily accepting something that you wouldn't do yourself is really the definition of hypocritical.

A person who is male from conception can never be a woman, whatever cosmetic physical changes that person makes to the appearance of that male body.

That male body is built around the production of small mobile gametes, the sperm, not around the production of large gametes and the gestation and birthing of infants.

Attempting to gestate an infant in a male body is unethical and immoral. Nevertheless I can absolutely guarantee that multiple medical professionals will make the attempt.

so all hypothetical then…..what’s the problem?

I don’t understand why you don’t just opt out of the womb selection then if you feel so passionate about it? And if you can’t untick that box then your family know your wishes.
But to deny potentially numerous people the chance of survival over one area seems ludicrous

(1) Yes- in the unlikely event that anyone would want my post-menopausal womb complete with fibroids.

(2) That is incredibly improbable, but in the very unlikely event that it was the norm, I wouldn't object- unless there was evidence for a high risk of birth defects in the resulting child. But it would be incredibly complicated: they'd not just need the womb, but complete rearrangement of internal organs; intensive hormone treatment; etc. This is all so hypothetical, that it reminds me of the old saying, 'If my aunt had balls. she'd be my uncle!' Or in this case, 'If my uncle got my womb, he'd be my aunt!'

I actually think there's MORE chance of scientists developing an artificial womb outside the body and growing embryos externally, Brave-New-World style, than successfully transplanting wombs into born-males.

In any case, such considerations would not put me off donating organs and tissue for people who need it.

These answers assume that the questions refer to donation after death. No, I wouldn't agree to donate my womb as a living donor. But not for ideological reasons; just not being prepared to undergo major surgery to treat someone else's non-life-threatening condition. Plus, as I said, no one's likely to want my womb anyway.

OK, up to you; but I don't see how misogyny comes into it.

I am registered to donate everything and at present I'm going to leave it like that but if I did want to opt out of donating mu reproductive organs, what do I tick? Tissue?

The misogyny bit is about men using our wombs (trans women).

I wouldnt donate my womb as a living donor as i think there can be consequences on quality of life after having a womb removed.

I am undecided about after death as I can consent, the recipient can consent but the baby cant. I wouldnt donate eggs but a womb is different so the juries out.

I'm not sure the trans bit makes a difference to how I feel there. As in if the science has developed to trans women successfully carrying healthy babies in the same success rates as women, i cant really see why not. My head cant make the leap to how we ever get to that point without some dubious steps experimenting on babies though. I wouldnt donate to an experiment.

I think the biggest risk is going to be poor women being exploited to do live donoring along the surrogacy lines, rather than people having their wombs removed against there wishes on death.

Here are the options available? Do we think it will be updated to separate out reproductive organs entirely? (I hope so!)

'All tissues' is the only possible one currently on the list.

Thanks - I had meant to attach a screenshot from the organ donation website showing what you can currently be opted in and out of but it didn't work (I have since added it on another post)

You could say mixed sex changing rooms are a want rather than a need.

Reproductive organs aren't on the list because you can't opt-in or opt-out of donating them because these types of donations do not happen. Please do not go in and tick that you don't want to donate tissue because you think that is a catch-all term that includes reproductive organs.
This is what they mean by "Tissue" https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/helping-you-to-decide/about-organ-donation/tissue-donation/

@Crunchymum "Tissue" doesn't cover reproductive organs because reproductive organs aren't included in the register. If they ever do get added, they will be listed in their own category. "Tissue" is things like heart valves, skin grafts, tendons etc.

"Reproductive organs aren't on the list because you can't opt-in or opt-out of donating them because these types of donations do not happen."

Do not currently happen. Are not "currently routine", in the words of the NHS Transplant site.

Your consent applies to the future as well as the present, until and unless you withdraw it