I’ve withdrawn from organ donation register

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I give blood and have always been very pro organ donation.

Sadly I have just withdrawn as protest against reproductive organ donation. I can’t support it and am very conflicted as would like to donate other organs.

What are your views and is it a hasty decision (although not sure I would change my mind).

Since the 37% was before the work of the awareness campaign started, the proper comparison would be being paid 37% of your salary as a recruitment bonus before your first day at work.

So yeah, it’s quite a bit actually.

I'm happy to own my earlier assertion that opting out of all organ donation as a protest against the theoretical possibility that a womb could be transplanted into a man/transwoman at some future point, without the donor's consent, is an act of transphobia. It is an enormous and futile overreaction based on an irrational fear.

Yeah, it’s so fighting misogyny to deny all your organs to innocent men, women and children because uterine transplants are now curing a few women of infertility.

Yes, every bit of excess money is donated.

I agree 100%

It's also a pointless stance. No-one will know or care, it won't change anything, and the only possible result is that someone might miss out on a life-saving organ.

I don't have a side in the GC/TRA debate, but the unreasoning knee jerk response of some of the GC people on mumsnet, to anything that could possibly be traced to trans issues, depresses me. And in this case it makes no sense at all. But at least they can all joins hands and claim that they're fighting the patriarchy (in what way, escapes me, though, as women will die too)

This is from the other thread: "Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/08/2023 13:50
No one is making any suggestion that men will receive wombs. This is because medically that’s a nonsense.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong about the former. The male surgeon, J Richard Smith, was principal lead on a research study to find out the demand for males.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3605548-Imperial-College-Womb-Transplant-Survey-Redux
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And indepth study was done specifically about trans women receiving uterine implants.

The “fake news” I was referring to was Pink News boasting that transwomen will be having womb transplants, getting pregnant and having live births within the next ten years. When there’s not even been one single experimental implant that hasn’t resulted in the recipient either dying of sepsis or the womb being removed sharpish due to almost immediate surgical complications/failure.

“Talking to transpeople” about what do you think about this sci fi future isn’t hard science. HTH.

Yes. Of course. It's another thing that "isn't happening". Sure. 🙄The study is there. The pressure is there. The surgeons promoting it are there. But it 'isn't happening'. Some people can't see what is happening right ahead of them. But keep blaming women for being forced into making a choice. Everything is always our fault. People dying is the fault of those pushing this monstrousity. Deaths will be on their hands. Not on ours. Don't even dare blame us women.

I could go back to last night Sue. Suffice to say, there’s not been alot of civility on either side because this is an emotive issue. Let’s not demonise each other for it.

Yes, it's your fault for not donating your heart because you don't want to donate your womb, even though no one is asking for your womb or anyone else's womb.

Yet based on the fact us feminists have been batting 100 for 100 and everything that we were told 'wouldn't happen/isn't happening', has, and is, that fear is clearly more than well based, and not irrational.

So you have zero bank balance? No savings? Not even a penny then.

@saraclara No-one will know or care

Oh I think they will, when donors drop out at an alarming rate, they will have to ask questions why. And I suspect many women have already told them why this past week.

Yet the surgeons THEMSELVES have told them this. So how is it fake news when Pink News are only repeating what surgeons have told them? Are you now suggesting the surgeons are lying, too? Is that where you are at now?

HTH

The survey of transwomen that asks (paraphrasing here):
“If it were ever possible, would you want a womb transplant so you could experience pregnancy and childbirth?”

Isnt “pressure” on scientists or by scientists to run out and make it a reality. The survey is more about how transwomen experience gender dysphoria in terms of their desires to experience biological womanhood. That survey had similar questions about periods and menopause.

There are tons of surveys of this ilk on psychological things…like the recent one published talking about the best personality type to be a colonist on Mars.
That survey was full of questions and scenarios about travelling in a spaceship and living on Mars. But Mars is not happening. There is no need to protest some future transportation of criminals to a penal Mars colony.

These surveys are very what if, and sci fi. They’re not things that are happening or are scientifically possible now.

You are literally prepared to allow women to die to make a point about trans.

Sorry, that's fucked up. It really is.

Oh I think they will, when donors drop out at an alarming rate, they will have to ask questions why. And I suspect many women have already told them why this past week.

And their response will be "uterus donation is not part of the register". Which you've already been told repeatedly.

No, the point is about womens rights. Womens rights.

And I am not allowing women to die. The quack surgeons and trans activists who pushed this are. Stop blaming women who were forced into this choice, not of this is our fault or our own doing. I am bloody sick to death of women being blamed for something through no fault of our own.

No, sorry it’s PINK NEWS. Give your head a wobble, this is the exact same news site that thinks Posie Parker is a Mein Kampf carrying Neo Nazi.

Yet according to the surgeons themelves, it will be. Or are you too, calling them liars?

I’d still like to know from the op, and other posters saying that they’ve withdrawn, whether you’d take a life saving organ yourselves??

Who is blaming "women"? This isn't a stance all women are taking. You don't speak for all women. You don't even speak for all feminists. This is an individual decision. Your individual decision. The criticism is on you, not "women". Don't hide behind "women".

You're missing the point that as awful as pink news are, they are only quoting the surgeons themselves. So are they misquoting the surgeons or are the surgeons lying?

If the organ donation service did notice that a large number of people were suddenly opting out, and traced it back to news that a woman in the UK received a uterus from her sister, what could they possibly do about it? Issue a statement re-iterating that uterus donations don't go through their service? Re-confirming information that's already on their website? They don't have the power to stop living donor uterus transplants which I believe went through a charity and was nothing to do with the organ donor service. What could this protest achieve?

You are blaming us women who took this choice. That's the point. Instead of those who thought this up, and hence forced us into this choice.