Do you support the ULEZ expansion?

[icecream99]

Just curious as it is due to start at midnight tonight and could potentially cause a lot of chaos. I don't support it.

YANBU - I DON'T support ULEZ expansion

YABU - I DO support ULEZ expansion

I think exactly the same about those deprived people flying from Heathrow with the cost of flights; long term parking; possibly a night at an airport hotel; accommodation at their destination; living expenses including eating at restaurants instead of eating beans on toast at home; car hire; etc who will be stung with a whole extra charge of £25 on top for driving a non-compliant car to and from the start of their holiday or business trip. I don't know how they will manage but am sure they'll muddle through.

Ditto the poor people attending events at Wembley, Twickenham and Wimbledon. I pray for them.

"I should think" don't you know? Don't you think you should check it out before saying things?

What is it you don't understand about the concept of national and local taxation?

@limitedperiodonly
I do know

Don't be rude

I'm not being rude, I'm asking you to be specific rather than saying vague things like: "I should think."

It doesn't matter what you think or I think: what do you know?

That's nice

I'm not trying to be nice, but I guess you know that. You said you know. Can you give a few examples?

There will be some - my job is finding hard-to-find case studies - but on the whole they will be a minority. Trust me, it's my job.

The reason I suspect this is because Heathrow airport, being the UK's busiest airport, has excellent public transport links and most of the people who work there doing ordinary jobs like baggage handling; cleaning, catering, retail and admin will be local.

The Piccadilly Line stops at just a bit beyond midnight and starts at about 5.30am. I believe, though I am not sure, there is a 24-hour service at weekends. There are also buses that run at similar times.

If you started a shift at 2am you'd definitely need a car or a moped or a cycle. I freely admit I would not feel safe without a car if there was no public transport. But others would. All I'm asking you is how many of those people you know definitely don't have compliant vehicles and would definitely lose their employment?

That's not rude.

@Exdonkeylover why should I move from my neighbourhood away from my family and friends that is walkable to work and leisure to a place I don't know which has poorer public transport and have to buy a car at enormous expense just so I can accommodate other people who don't live here but want to pollute my neighbourhood because they feel like it? Would you do that? Or would you say it's a stupid thing to expect of anyone. It's a no-brainer for me but what do you think?

You say people that don't live there, but a) people who live there have to pay and many will be on low incomes already and b) some of those people who drive in will be providing services you use.
Also councils etc will have to pay for their l vehicles to go in, or replace them. Again another cost.
But the majority of my annoyance with it all is that it's just a tax. Nothing more.

If they planted tress with the money, subsidiary funds won't to local councils to get more environmentally friendly vehicles and it subsidised public renasport costs to reduce them to the public, I could understand more.

But at the moment, you're welcome to go about your diary business according to Khan, but only if you can afford it.

What are you talking about?

Exdonkeylover, londoners are welcome to go about their business without paying a penny, they do it without a car, thousands of them

It's weird how people have given to go around vandalising cameras, yet don't have time to take public transport in their daily lives

I wouldn't have an issue with it if TFL applied it correctly. They've misallocated my car as 'non compliant'. It is a 2020 hybrid!!

I've emailed several times, registered all my details but they refuse to look at the DVLA website, which confirms it is compliant!

So TFL are incompetent, they shouldn't be allowed to fine people when they refuse to believe DVLA data on compliance. I know I'm not the only one they've got wrong.

YES - air quality in London is atrocious. No excuse for driving a polluting car.

Millions in fact

@Plantronic
"YES - air quality in London is atrocious. No excuse for driving a polluting car."
But the new ULEZ zone spreads as far as Biggin Hill, which you can fly into (private planes, I think), polluting far more.
There is little public transport in some of these rural areas, and definitely no underground.

There is little public transport in some of these rural areas

Biggin Hill is served by multiple bus routes, each with a half-hourly frequency. If that's what you call "little public transport", I wonder what you'd make of services in truly rural areas, where frequencies are measured per day, not per hour.

No! I live just and by that I mean 10metres in it. To get to work 10 miles away and outside the ULEZ ( no public transport links) I have to pay £12.5 for 10metres of driving or change my car which runs fine, passes MOT and is well maintained.

Insurance will increase by circa £130 per annum for the privilege of buying a car I neither need or want. I do not live in London, work in London and that tiny bit of road I drive on is maintained by an out of London council.

In a cost of living crisis - adding 62.50 per week to my costs makes absolutely no sense for something I am not going to benefit from when I do not drive in London, live in a leafy green area and go to work outside London

@uneffingbelievable it's ridiculous. Can you park down the road a few metres?

I can then pay for a parking permit whilst my drive sits empty!!!

I am likely to park a half a mile away and walk to car each day having now sourced the area for non resident parkingplaces

What annoys me so much in outer London is I’m forced to walk with my children through the dirt and pollution whilst those with money aren’t, and those who pay to pollute carry on.
I’ve added photos of our 25 min ulez ‘clean air walk’ to give you an idea. There is no bus down this stretch of road for us, it’s an hour round on buses as the only other option. The road is hemmed in by a canal and ribbon development factories on one side and a train track on the other. There is no other walking option.
The first shows you how close you are forced to walk to lorry exhausts blowing into your face as they whip past, it’s 40mph but exceeded a lot. It’s scary frankly.
The second shows how a lot of the pavement is sunk, you are actually face level to exhausts.
The plants are grey with pollution.
There is litter, broken glass and human shit , some from the lorry drivers sleeping on side roads from the factories.
There are factory upon factory and distribution centres pumping out diesel, there’s an incinerator burning rubbish, sewage pipes with vents, a stagnant canal with oil floating.
I actually feel sick often. We walk this pollution, and there’s no benefit to my children. It’s shit.
Invest in a bloody walking path through the huge golf course or along the canal side if you want to reduce car journeys. Don’t just force the poor to puke by the roadside with the fumes. Actually make it reasonable to walk, I like walking. It’s just so grim, scary and polluted no one does.
This is the ulez!

Yes that is grim

Perhaps get in touch with your MP about the situation

Yes what is Khan doing about the pollution in the area you live in relation to the industrial estate

The industrial ribbon development stretches far beyond London.

So far what is planned is the incinerator is being hugely expanded so most of west London waste will also be burnt here. It will create a huge plume across local schools and housing. There’s massive opposition but it has full support from the same councils pushing ulez. In fact vocal members of the green agenda are indirectly on the board of directors for the scheme.

Biggin hill particularly makes me laugh also.
If I were rich I could fly my own private jet in, dumping insane amounts of pollution on residents whilst 7 yr old diesel cars are kept out.
My money just funds the price increase so huge companies pay to pollute, or just pollute, on a grand scale. Profiting more and more. The traffic jams still exist. Absolutely fuck all diffference in the scheme of it will be made as to whether there a 5 yr old diesel or the odd 7yr old diesel in the middle of all this.
Improve the buses, make decent walking paths outside the centre.
I’d happily ban private jets too

@Ireallylikepictures

So just a tax as it seems they turn a blind eye to other sources creating pollution