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Do you support the ULEZ expansion?

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icecream99 · 28/08/2023 19:42

Just curious as it is due to start at midnight tonight and could potentially cause a lot of chaos. I don't support it.

YANBU - I DON'T support ULEZ expansion

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Comedycook · 01/09/2023 13:19

JanesBlond · 01/09/2023 12:32

Or that his job requires him to fly? Most senior politicians and government officials have regular international meetings. He’s hardly going to take the train to the US.

Most carers have regular house calls. Most plumbers have regular house calls.

A lot of a politicians meetings could be done online. I mean I remember when London didn't even have a major. We managed fine. If we abolished the position altogether, that would mean less environmental damage. Seeing as he's so passionate about the environment, I have no idea why he isn't championing that idea.

LittleBearPad · 01/09/2023 13:26

Plumbers? You’re reaching

JanesBlond · 01/09/2023 13:28

Comedycook · 01/09/2023 13:19

Most carers have regular house calls. Most plumbers have regular house calls.

A lot of a politicians meetings could be done online. I mean I remember when London didn't even have a major. We managed fine. If we abolished the position altogether, that would mean less environmental damage. Seeing as he's so passionate about the environment, I have no idea why he isn't championing that idea.

What’s your point about plumbers and carers? They can do their jobs easily using the 90% of vehicles that are ULEZ compliant or in some cases carers can use public transport. They are not going to work locations where there is no alternative to flying.
Khan travels in order to influence policy elsewhere in line with our own interests, and realistically these things are very difficult to do online. That’s why we don’t hold parliament over zoom either.

Comedycook · 01/09/2023 13:32

You should really stop being so reverent to politicians. It's embarrassing. Honestly, you can question their decisions and motives.

Jumpingthruhoops · 01/09/2023 13:35

grass321 · 01/09/2023 10:31

For those than arent there are grants to replace them.

Not for those of us just outside the ULEZ. And frankly £2,000 doesn't go that far even if you are, given the hit to the second hand value of non compliant cars.

Love how people think it's soooo easy to change a car. Like it's comparable to going out for a pint of milk!

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 01/09/2023 13:36

DdraigGoch · 01/09/2023 13:12

What have flights got to do with air quality around schools and houses? I'm sure that Heathrow doesn't do much good but the main runways are some way from the boundary fence.

Thank for air doesn’t travel

Comedycook · 01/09/2023 13:37

It is funny that politicians are so clever and important that they must fly all over the world to attend meetings as online just doesn't work. And yet children were expected to have a perfectly satisfactory education all done online.

Comedycook · 01/09/2023 13:38

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 01/09/2023 13:36

Thank for air doesn’t travel

Its like wind doesn't exist

I remember when my wheelie bin was covered in red dust from the Sahara....yet apparently pollution from planes in Heathrow remains static

JanesBlond · 01/09/2023 13:38

Comedycook · 01/09/2023 13:32

You should really stop being so reverent to politicians. It's embarrassing. Honestly, you can question their decisions and motives.

Who, me? I do question them, on a daily basis, at my job. Which is how I know we can’t just quit international meetings. I don’t think online is a good way to teach either.

greengreengrass25 · 01/09/2023 13:40

@Jumpingthruhoops

Yes and you know your car is reliable and it's service history

It's a gamble buying a new car

LittleBearPad · 01/09/2023 13:41

Comedycook · 01/09/2023 13:37

It is funny that politicians are so clever and important that they must fly all over the world to attend meetings as online just doesn't work. And yet children were expected to have a perfectly satisfactory education all done online.

Face to face works best for many things. Online is good for others. A mixture is useful. Still has nothing to do with plumbers.

HRTQueen · 01/09/2023 13:42

Comedycook · 01/09/2023 13:19

Most carers have regular house calls. Most plumbers have regular house calls.

A lot of a politicians meetings could be done online. I mean I remember when London didn't even have a major. We managed fine. If we abolished the position altogether, that would mean less environmental damage. Seeing as he's so passionate about the environment, I have no idea why he isn't championing that idea.

Because he isn’t so passionate about the environment it’s all lip service

no one who drives around London in a 4x4 cares about the environment

Very very few need such large cars in London

Anxioys · 01/09/2023 13:42

greengreengrass25 · 01/09/2023 13:02

People are vandalising the cameras

This is such a teeny cost to TFL. Unless you vandalize all of the cameras of course, the chances are you will be picked up by another one. Eventually it will tail off

LittleBearPad · 01/09/2023 13:43

HRTQueen · 01/09/2023 13:42

Because he isn’t so passionate about the environment it’s all lip service

no one who drives around London in a 4x4 cares about the environment

Very very few need such large cars in London

It was provided by the Met due to death threats.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 01/09/2023 13:45

LittleBearPad · 01/09/2023 13:41

Face to face works best for many things. Online is good for others. A mixture is useful. Still has nothing to do with plumbers.

What has he achieved face to face in a foreign country which is a benefit to London? I think he went to the US to promote baseball once- which is undoubtedly life changing for me and countless Londoners.

HRTQueen · 01/09/2023 13:48

He was driving one beforehand what he suddenly became aware what utter nonsense everyone knows this they jus choose to ignore it

and he is in a position to make a difference and lead by example and let’s not forget how much he walks 🙄

DatumTarum · 01/09/2023 13:50

Yes.

Anything that gets some cars off the road.

Ginmonkeyagain · 01/09/2023 14:27

@greengreengrass25 I suggest then you lobby your own councils or national government for a scrappage scheme not sure why Londoners should pay for your new car.

DdraigGoch · 01/09/2023 14:50

Jumpingthruhoops · 01/09/2023 13:35

Love how people think it's soooo easy to change a car. Like it's comparable to going out for a pint of milk!

Leave a car on the wrong street and it'll be taken away for you.

limitedperiodonly · 01/09/2023 14:52

grass321 · 01/09/2023 10:31

For those than arent there are grants to replace them.

Not for those of us just outside the ULEZ. And frankly £2,000 doesn't go that far even if you are, given the hit to the second hand value of non compliant cars.

Then lobby your local councils to start their own scrappage scheme funded by your council tax or to agitate Central Government to step in with a wholly or partly assisted scrappage scheme for you.

Why do you expect to dip into a scheme funded by London taxpayers for Londoners?

greengreengrass25 · 01/09/2023 14:56

Ginmonkeyagain · 01/09/2023 14:27

@greengreengrass25 I suggest then you lobby your own councils or national government for a scrappage scheme not sure why Londoners should pay for your new car.

I've got one that's fine but I feel sorry for those that don't

Anyway if my car was non compliant I would qualify for the scheme as I am within the Ulez zone

DdraigGoch · 01/09/2023 15:11

Comedycook · 01/09/2023 13:38

Its like wind doesn't exist

I remember when my wheelie bin was covered in red dust from the Sahara....yet apparently pollution from planes in Heathrow remains static

The further away houses are from the source of the pollution, the more it will disperse before it gets there. That's why living right on the South Circular is far more dangerous than living in Feltham.

Not that I'm defending airports, it does occur to me that the site Heathrow sits on could support tens of thousands of houses with no loss of green space, with fast public transport links into the heart of London already built.

Jumpingthruhoops · 01/09/2023 15:17

limitedperiodonly · 01/09/2023 14:52

Then lobby your local councils to start their own scrappage scheme funded by your council tax or to agitate Central Government to step in with a wholly or partly assisted scrappage scheme for you.

Why do you expect to dip into a scheme funded by London taxpayers for Londoners?

'London taxpayers'?

I've heard it all now... 🙄

limitedperiodonly · 01/09/2023 15:28

user1477391263 · 01/09/2023 09:53

I think the rights and wrongs of banning vs imposing charges on use is a complicated discussion. But I do think it’s noteworthy that ULEZ was originally a center-right idea. The idea was “Instead of imposing solutions by banning the wrong cars, let’s imitate the way markets work by making the wrong type of cars more expensive so that the private sector will be incentivized to come up with solutions.”

Now that it’s in place and has been imposed by a Labour mayor, right wingers have (mostly) decided they hate it. I really don’t know what the solution is; some people on the right just seem to have opposition defiance disorder these days. which is weird, as the Tories are not even in opposition yet!

The other interesting thing is Iain Duncan-Smith, who is as right wing as they come, saying he was "happy" for those people in his outer London constituency of Chingford and elsewhere to vandalise the Ulez cameras.

"I am happy for them to do it because they are facing an imposition that no-one wants and they have been lied to about it. The actions you are seeing show how angry people are at what is being imposed on therm. Sadiq Khan has gerrymandered all the information – people have had enough," said the not-terribly distinguished former leader of the Conservatives (that's a crowded field) and encourager of the feckless to just roll up their sleeves or he was going to make life difficult for them.

IDS - someone should have told him it never works if you pick your own nickname because a clever dick will call you Irritable Duncan Syndrome - was the man who exhorted job hunters to try harder only to be revealed to have fibbed on his CV about being a graduate of the prestigious Padua University, in Italy, in the way that though technically correct, was not what most of us would understand the term graduate after at least three years on a formal course to mean. Making misleading statements about your course of a few weeks in the summer holidays on your CV would be grounds for being sacked for most people.

I was shocked by him condoning criminal behaviour. I don't recall him being supportive of XR protestors who made a right bloody nuisance of themselves gluing themselves to roads or people who are probably not as rich as him but fancied new trainers from JD Sports helping themselves.

I hope Home Secretary Suella Braverman, who this week told the police to pull their fingers out and investigate all crimes, however minor where there is evidence to go on, will tell him off and ask his local police force to investigate whether he has incited criminal behaviour.

LittleBearPad · 01/09/2023 15:33

It will be interesting to see Iain Duncan Smith (actually just Iain Smith but he wanted to appear posher) providing similar support to Just Stop Oil protestors.