Page 21 | Do you support the ULEZ expansion?

icecream99 · 2023-08-28T18:42:32+00:00

Just curious as it is due to start at midnight tonight and could potentially cause a lot of chaos. I don't support it. YANBU - I DON'T support ULEZ expansion YABU - I DO support ULEZ expansion

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 16:55

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 16:53

In this instance people who come from outside my area who do not agree to comply with the rules imposed by an authority democratically elected by a majority of voters in my area.

Anti rat-running measures are not a new thing. They make life tolerable for residents who live off busy roads.

You can do whatever you like but you have to follow the rules or take the consequences. Vote against them in the next election and avoid the area and suck it up in the meantime.

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I still don't understand what "your area" is?

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 16:57

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 16:08

But people do drive down my road and I don't give a shit. I also drive down other peoples roads. I mean this is hardly news. Oh and lol that you think the council cares

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And why should I give a shit? All that matters to me is that you can't drive down my road.

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 16:59

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 16:55

I still don't understand what "your area" is?

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You don't need to understand. Just obey the traffic signs or pay the penalty just like everyone else.

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 16:59

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 16:57

And why should I give a shit? All that matters to me is that you can't drive down my road.

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Just me or anyone? And you don't own the road. I own my house on the road but I have absolutely no say in whether people use the road or not...why would i?

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 17:00

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 16:59

You don't need to understand. Just obey the traffic signs or pay the penalty just like everyone else.

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Do you get very angry when immigrants to the UK break the law?

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 17:06

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 16:59

Just me or anyone? And you don't own the road. I own my house on the road but I have absolutely no say in whether people use the road or not...why would i?

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In most cases your local authority owns the road outside your house. Therefore they have the right to restrict parking and traffic after consultation with residents.

We're all very happy with what they have done.

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 17:07

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 17:00

Do you get very angry when immigrants to the UK break the law?

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No more than when UK citizens break UK laws.

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 17:09

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 17:06

In most cases your local authority owns the road outside your house. Therefore they have the right to restrict parking and traffic after consultation with residents.

We're all very happy with what they have done.

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I know Loads of people who live in ltns and hate them...but still keeps the 'non locals' out for you.

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 17:10

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 17:07

No more than when UK citizens break UK laws.

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So why go on constantly about 'your area'?...how far away can I be from before I'm not considered a non local?

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 17:12

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 17:09

I know Loads of people who live in ltns and hate them...but still keeps the 'non locals' out for you.

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What's that to do with the price of fish? I keep reading in the Daily Mail about Khan's "hated" Ulez and heard a woman on Radio 4's Today programme on Tuesday who said she hadn't heard anyone in favour of it and I thought: "You haven't spoken to me."

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 17:13

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 17:10

So why go on constantly about 'your area'?...how far away can I be from before I'm not considered a non local?

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Just obey the rules. When in Rome, and all that...

LittleBearPad · 30/08/2023 17:13

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 17:10

So why go on constantly about 'your area'?...how far away can I be from before I'm not considered a non local?

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Presumably the people who live on the LTNs are able to drive down streets that people who don’t live on them can’t. We have similar with school streets that are camera enforced - residents won’t get fined but anyone else will be.

DdraigGoch · 30/08/2023 17:18

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 15:29

I live very very close to the South circular...I don't worry at all about pollution.

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More fool you

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 17:21

LittleBearPad · 30/08/2023 17:13

Presumably the people who live on the LTNs are able to drive down streets that people who don’t live on them can’t. We have similar with school streets that are camera enforced - residents won’t get fined but anyone else will be.

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Theyre usually closed off at one end or if they're not, anyone who drives through that end is fined, resident or not....so if you need to go in that particular direction you can't so you have to go the other way which adds time to a journey hence why some people don't like living on them. Lots of the roads round here which have them weren't even busy prior to their installation. Still the council gets the money from the fines. But you all keep kidding yourselves that the lovely local authority just wants to make your life better.

DdraigGoch · 30/08/2023 17:31

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 16:17

I don't want people from outside the area

Very interested in this phrase by the way. What do you class as outside the area?

Anyone who isn't going to or from an address on that street, be they resident, visitor or tradesman.

DdraigGoch · 30/08/2023 17:33

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 15:30

But the thing is when you close roads, all you do is push the traffic elsewhere...it's just pointless

Not if you do it properly.

greengreengrass25 · 30/08/2023 17:34

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 16:17

I don't want people from outside the area

Very interested in this phrase by the way. What do you class as outside the area?

Sounds like league of Gentleman

This is a local shop etc

RamblingRosieLee · 30/08/2023 17:35

No I don't..

I an really agaisnt taking drssrica
Action that will badly affect people without making sure public transport is shit hot. Without making sure electric cars are affordable.

Without making sure people will be OK.

LittleBearPad · 30/08/2023 17:46

so if you need to go in that particular direction you can't so you have to go the other way which adds time to a journey

Oh dear. Your journey is longer. It’s unconscionable.

LittleBearPad · 30/08/2023 17:47

RamblingRosieLee · 30/08/2023 17:35

No I don't..

I an really agaisnt taking drssrica
Action that will badly affect people without making sure public transport is shit hot. Without making sure electric cars are affordable.

Without making sure people will be OK.

Perfectly possible to buy compliant diesel and petrol cars. Petrol cars in particular don’t need to be remotely new either.

ie People don’t have to buy EVs

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 17:54

LittleBearPad · 30/08/2023 17:46

so if you need to go in that particular direction you can't so you have to go the other way which adds time to a journey

Oh dear. Your journey is longer. It’s unconscionable.

I don't live on a ltn. I'm saying why some people who do object to them. Longer journeys aren't especially conducive to cleaner air though

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 17:54

I have a dream that one day I won't have to peek out from behind parked cars and vans and hold my thumb up in grateful thanks to the driver who made me jump back before going on their way at 30mph in a 20mph residential street; I want my old mum to be able to cross the road all the way instead of stopping uncertainly in the middle while a driver indulgently/impatiently waves her over regardless of whether it was safe and he or she was looking in their rear view mirror. I want to live in a world where children can run across the road to the ice cream van after school without drivers moaning that they should have learned the Green Cross Code and ignoring signs saying School. I have a dream of having a cat that doesn't get mown down.

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 17:55

DdraigGoch · 30/08/2023 17:31

Anyone who isn't going to or from an address on that street, be they resident, visitor or tradesman.

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Perish the thought someone who doesn't live on your road uses your road...oh the absolute horror! Non locals!!!

Comedycook · 30/08/2023 17:57

limitedperiodonly · 30/08/2023 17:54

I have a dream that one day I won't have to peek out from behind parked cars and vans and hold my thumb up in grateful thanks to the driver who made me jump back before going on their way at 30mph in a 20mph residential street; I want my old mum to be able to cross the road all the way instead of stopping uncertainly in the middle while a driver indulgently/impatiently waves her over regardless of whether it was safe and he or she was looking in their rear view mirror. I want to live in a world where children can run across the road to the ice cream van after school without drivers moaning that they should have learned the Green Cross Code and ignoring signs saying School. I have a dream of having a cat that doesn't get mown down.

So you want all cars banned then?

greengreengrass25 · 30/08/2023 18:02

LittleBearPad · 30/08/2023 17:46

so if you need to go in that particular direction you can't so you have to go the other way which adds time to a journey

Oh dear. Your journey is longer. It’s unconscionable.

Surely that leads to more jams and pollution and wasting energy