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Do you support the ULEZ expansion?

758 replies

icecream99 · 28/08/2023 19:42

Just curious as it is due to start at midnight tonight and could potentially cause a lot of chaos. I don't support it.

YANBU - I DON'T support ULEZ expansion

YABU - I DO support ULEZ expansion

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00100001 · 28/08/2023 19:42

Only if they give me money to replace my car.

Tukmgru · 28/08/2023 19:47

I support it. I drive and live in the existing ULEZ bit. Got a Ulez compliant car second hand because baby = no money, but it wasn’t difficult to find one at low cost.

They should give people more support for the scrappage scheme in the Home Counties but that needs to be the local councils, who are all bitching and whining instead of helping. Kent, Surrey, Buck etc councils are the problem here - I’m Home Counties originally, and I bloody hate the local Blowhard politicians there.

TeenagersAngst · 28/08/2023 19:51

I would support it more if it were a genuine ULEZ scheme like in Glasgow where there is no option to pay to enter, just an instant fine.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 28/08/2023 19:53

Fuck no!
I changed my car yrs ago because I live on the road just outside of the existing ulez- it has no place in Greater London during a COL CRISIS with less than a years notice.
it’s a money making scheme and Sadiq Khan’t is scum in his giant 4x4 he takes to walk his dog!

Ilikewinter · 28/08/2023 19:55

100% no.

eurochick · 28/08/2023 19:59

I'm not convinced of its overall environmental merit. I know it is focussed on clean air but on a broader environmental view encouraging people to change their cars is a bad thing as so much carbon is released in their manufacture.

I'm also not convinced that air quality is that much of an issue in the outer boroughs. Some of them are basically rural.

I'm personally unaffected as I live near the boundary but my car is already compliant. However, my cleaner who lives right on the boundary and really couldn't manage without a compliant car has had to buy a new car that she really can't afford. The implementation of the scheme doesn't seem to have been well-managed.

amylou8 · 28/08/2023 20:01

No. I live outside but drive in 3 days a week. I had to scrap a perfectly good van and am now running my business in a small car as I can't afford to a compliant van. If it actually made a difference to air quality, well I'd still be pissed off personally but I'd get it, but it's just and underhand cash grab, and I can't even vote out that cunt Khan.

SusiePevensie · 28/08/2023 20:02

YABU. Strongly in favour.

Hibernatalie · 28/08/2023 20:05

Yes I 100% support it because my children's lungs are more important than anyone's car.

millymollymoomoo · 28/08/2023 20:10

Nope
no evidence of any environmental benefit
soon they’ll start questioning why you need to go beyond zones
then they’ll start stopping you altogether

RedRosie · 28/08/2023 20:11

I support it.

Istanbulnotconstantinople72 · 28/08/2023 20:11

YABU the only way we'll do anything about the climate crisis is by extreme measures. If anything ULEZ doesn't go far enough.

Haretest · 28/08/2023 20:12

Yes 💯. Moves to clean up the air and the planet are going to be uncomfortable.

Haretest · 28/08/2023 20:13

amylou8 · 28/08/2023 20:01

No. I live outside but drive in 3 days a week. I had to scrap a perfectly good van and am now running my business in a small car as I can't afford to a compliant van. If it actually made a difference to air quality, well I'd still be pissed off personally but I'd get it, but it's just and underhand cash grab, and I can't even vote out that cunt Khan.

ULEZ has halved air pollution in central london. What more success to do you want it to have?

IWD23 · 28/08/2023 20:14

Support in principle but roll out was a mess.

Agree with PP who said the manufacture of the replacement cars is at least as bad for the environment as the perfectly good cars being scrapped.

I would have been happy if people could keep their existing cars, even if non-compliant but when they buy their next one it needs to be compliant or the charges will apply.

Peony654 · 28/08/2023 20:15

Very supportive. Drastic action is needed for pollution and people’s health. ULEZ doesn’t go far enough - there should be a pay per mile scheme not just in London but everywhere. People need to be forced to be more active, the vast majority of illnesses are preventable.

Fifireee · 28/08/2023 20:17

Yes.
Too many nights in A&E with my DD struggling to breathe.
A friend who worked in the centre of Greenwich all her life and now has chronic asthma.
A friend who can no longer run - and he was an amazing runner - because he has such dreadful chest problems after running in the city of London every lunchtime during his working life.
A friend whose asthma is so bad his consultant has told him to move out of Clapham because air pollution is killing him.

ELLA KISSI DEBRAH
ELLA KISSI DEBRAH
ELLA KISSI DEBRAH.
That sweet smiling beautiful girl who died as a direct result of pollution.

Fifireee · 28/08/2023 20:23

This has to happen. Sadiq Khan has been hung out to dry by every politician. He is subject to the most appalling abuse. There are these vans driving around London - plastered in anti ulez posters and horrible things about Sadiq Khan. It's horrific. Everything he posts on twitter results in nasty racism.
He wants to improve air quality.
He has to have an incredibly high level of security because of the amount of death threats he gets.

Boris Johnson gave money to his lover.
Spent tens of millions on a garden bridge which never arrived.
He got nothing like the vitriol Khan gets.

PuttingDownRoots · 28/08/2023 20:26

I don't support because its targeting the wrong people. The ones losing out here are the poorer residents... tax the unnecessarily large cars more instead.

To be clear here... I have a landrover that I occasionally drive into outer London. Its a pain in London really!

Topseyt123 · 28/08/2023 20:27

Yes, I support it although it hasn't been well managed. My DD lives in the zone and it will affect us (and her) but it has to happen and we have to get to grips with it due to things like climate change, like it or not.

Clymene · 28/08/2023 20:27

No

Original poster
icecream99 · 28/08/2023 20:28

Istanbulnotconstantinople72 · 28/08/2023 20:11

YABU the only way we'll do anything about the climate crisis is by extreme measures. If anything ULEZ doesn't go far enough.

If that's the case, why does the scheme allow anyone rich enough to drive a non-compliant car as long as they pay the daily charge? If non-compliant cars are so dangerous, surely they should be banned completely?

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Teentrauma · 28/08/2023 20:28

No.

If it actually made a difference to air quality then I'd have more sympathy but the effects are negligible especially as many of the areas in the extended zone are leafy suburbs/semi rural. They claim 9/10 cars are compliant if so, then why go to all this trouble for a small number of cars? It's a money making initiative and notjing more.To do this to the poorer members of society in a cost of living crisis is just plain wrong.

YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 28/08/2023 20:29

On the fence.

I understand the reasons for it and generally support it, but it's harsh on tradespeople and other self employed people who need their vehicle for work and can't afford to replace it. They should make allowances for people who are registered as self employed and use their vehicle for work, especially with the cost of living crisis etc.