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Do you support the ULEZ expansion?

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icecream99 · 28/08/2023 19:42

Just curious as it is due to start at midnight tonight and could potentially cause a lot of chaos. I don't support it.

YANBU - I DON'T support ULEZ expansion

YABU - I DO support ULEZ expansion

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Jumpingthruhoops · 28/08/2023 21:50

dutysuite · 28/08/2023 21:36

It won’t reduce traffic when we have LTNs, planters, dubious road works, closed bridges, 20mph, and empty bike lanes everywhere. A compliant car today won’t be compliant for long. When Khan requires more money he’ll move the goal posts, he already has pay per mile for all motorists in the pipeline. He’ll come for the cyclists too at some point. The man is part of C40 and I don’t trust him one bit. Hopefully he’ll be voted out in May.

This! I'm frankly astonished as to how many people still don't know what C40 Cities actually is.

Lazyusername · 28/08/2023 21:52

@MavisMcMinty If the world is burning why haven't we banned private jets?

user1471453601 · 28/08/2023 21:52

I voted yabu, despite the fact I no longer have skin in the game. Nevertheless, a decade ago I used to visit London for business weekly. Not to put too fine a point on it, it stank.

Walking up Greys in Road was unbearable for me (asthma and copd). I'm not, in the slightest surprised that the little girl died because she had the temerity to walk to school while being asthmstic.

milveycrohn · 28/08/2023 21:52

I don't support it because I know it is nothing to do with pollution.
The exapnsion is so wide, and many of the areas in the Greater London outer zone are very rural, with very limited public transport.
It will affect mostly, small business users (builders and tradesmen), who for obvious reasons cannot take public transport (taking tools, ladders, etc).
Also, Bexley and Bromley do not have any undergound services at all.
We know that the lockdown more or less caused TfL to go bankrupt, as they had to run some buses and underground for those who were travelling into work, but they were mostly near empty.
This is really a money making exercise, and the camers will eventually be used for road pricing.

GKD · 28/08/2023 21:53

@FinallyHere isnt that because your car has higher dangerous emissions that your DH’s?

My compliant car is worth less than my pram, age isn’t the issue as such it’s more the amount of pollutants.

I barely know anyone whose car isn’t compliant, seems to me outer Londoners are screaming harder about this.

I do think it has been poorly rolled out and should have been delayed due to COL, but I suspect that the timing was a Tory condition.

salinee · 28/08/2023 21:54

I support it. I live in inner London.

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user1477391263 · 28/08/2023 21:59

Yep, that’s exactly what NK does. It officially discourages NK citizens from driving especially old and filthy cars into the middle of big cities that have loads of public transit.

Idiot.

whatdoidonowffs · 28/08/2023 22:00

Wait until the Blackwall tunnel toll comes hits in 2025 that’ll help Kahn’s bank balance 🤬🤬

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Sigmama · 28/08/2023 22:02

Sadiq won't get much money from all those thousands of londoners who don't own a car, - a lot of conspiracy nonsense out there

MavisMcMinty · 28/08/2023 22:04

Lazyusername · 28/08/2023 21:52

@MavisMcMinty If the world is burning why haven't we banned private jets?

Because our politicians are all cowards who think the people arriving here on private jets are better than those people arriving here on small boats.

EllBellWell · 28/08/2023 22:04

No, I absolutely do not support ULEZ it's dystopian. Many scientists stating that climate is fine, my grandparents have lived inner London their whole lives and have said the air quality has never been better. Its a cash cow!!!

LittleBearPad · 28/08/2023 22:04

Lazyusername · 28/08/2023 21:46

@LittleBearPad So you're confirming it is exclusively to target poor people then? Nice.

Do you think I’m Sadiq Khan?

The scheme targets older more polluting cars. Yes these are often driven by poorer people who have fewer means to replace them.

dutysuite · 28/08/2023 22:05

I suppose it depends on what you deem as an old car, some are only plated 2015 and cars have never been so clean. The underground shows higher levels of pollution than roadside air.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 28/08/2023 22:05

100% support. And I live, work and drive inside it.

Lazyusername · 28/08/2023 22:06

@LittleBearPad No. You are someone who thinks targeting poor people and destroying their livelihoods is ok but that if they have a non-compliant car and are wealthier and can afford £12.50 a day they can just carry on polluting.

LittleBearPad · 28/08/2023 22:07

EllBellWell · 28/08/2023 22:04

No, I absolutely do not support ULEZ it's dystopian. Many scientists stating that climate is fine, my grandparents have lived inner London their whole lives and have said the air quality has never been better. Its a cash cow!!!

Could it just possibly be that the air quality has never been better due to the ULEZ that has now been operating for several years in Inner London.

Just a thought?

WarOnTheSlugs · 28/08/2023 22:07

Tukmgru · 28/08/2023 19:47

I support it. I drive and live in the existing ULEZ bit. Got a Ulez compliant car second hand because baby = no money, but it wasn’t difficult to find one at low cost.

They should give people more support for the scrappage scheme in the Home Counties but that needs to be the local councils, who are all bitching and whining instead of helping. Kent, Surrey, Buck etc councils are the problem here - I’m Home Counties originally, and I bloody hate the local Blowhard politicians there.

Should they have a scheme like this imposed on them though, when they do not get to vote for the London administration? It's not very democratic.

dutysuite · 28/08/2023 22:08

LittleBearPad · 28/08/2023 22:07

Could it just possibly be that the air quality has never been better due to the ULEZ that has now been operating for several years in Inner London.

Just a thought?

No because reports have already shown that the original ULEZ has had a negligible impact.

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WarOnTheSlugs · 28/08/2023 22:09

Hibernatalie · 28/08/2023 20:05

Yes I 100% support it because my children's lungs are more important than anyone's car.

The evidence is that the effect on air quality will be negligible.

LittleBearPad · 28/08/2023 22:09

Lazyusername · 28/08/2023 22:06

@LittleBearPad No. You are someone who thinks targeting poor people and destroying their livelihoods is ok but that if they have a non-compliant car and are wealthier and can afford £12.50 a day they can just carry on polluting.

Where have I said that? Please share.

Lazyusername · 28/08/2023 22:09

@MavisMcMinty So why don't we all band together and force the rich to curtail their excessive lifestyles instead of targeting the local elderly lady or window cleaner for having the audacity to drive an old car? I would get fully behind a campaign to ban private jets, second homes and private heated pools. But harassing poor people for trying to get to their jobs - nah, I'm just not into that.

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