Do you support the ULEZ expansion?

[icecream99]

Just curious as it is due to start at midnight tonight and could potentially cause a lot of chaos. I don't support it.

YANBU - I DON'T support ULEZ expansion

YABU - I DO support ULEZ expansion

Well, why did you buy a diesel? It’s been known for a long time that they are filthy.

Yes I do. Have lived within about 50 metres of the previous ULEZ so, living within central London, we don't own a car. My parents seem to think it's an affront on their civil liberties that they can't visit us without paying. Having said that, they are very rural so public transport does not exist therefore they have to drive which is a whole other problem.
I do think the scrappage scheme has been poorly handled, BUT should be a nationwide effort (obviously won't happen under the current government)

Not exactly many Underground trains in Biggin Hill...

Or regular buses

Definitely!

Yes. I am strongly in favour of futureproofing the air quality that my children are growing up in. I am anti pollution and anti climate change. We cannot wait until things are bad then try to reverse them. We need preventative methods. 100% yes to ULEZ.

Yep, this isn’t an ULEZ thing, it’s a “most people who live in central London don’t own a car” thing.

I'm on the edge of the previous zone change for ULEZ and as my car is compliant it doesn't affect me. I think expanding it beyond the South Circ and out the other ways is not really going to make a difference, but I do understand the rationale behind it.

The incentive to scrap or exchange cars is not sufficient for those that genuinely need to use their cars and despite living in zone 2, the infrastructure for electric vehicles is haphazard at best, although it is improving.

I drove past Sadiq's house earlier, and someone has parked a very vocally painted campervan screaming anti ULEZ outside it, so he'll see that every day as he is driven, yes driven, in a 2/3 car convoy to City Hall. He was a brilliant MP for us, but I wish he'd stuck to practising what he preaches.

On the fence if its really about Helston it should of been outright ban not pay to pollute the air. He keeps saying its about health but I dont believe him, he is already got tfl looking into pay per mile ... this is about pricing ppl off the roads.

Who is actually paying this? I've just checked our current two cars and I can drive a diesel SUV into the centre for free. Tried a 60 plate mini also free at 13 year old anything older isn't going to last much longer other than a very well maintained classic.

I would go one step further and scrap cars once they don't meet current admission standards and are more than 10 years old.

Yes because our kids and families and ourselves need to breathe and the health risks of air pollution are absolutely horrifying. I always think of the young girl Ella, who died of the air pollution around her home. She’ll not be the only child killed in this way.
So of course we should clean up the London air in every way we can. Wood-burning stoves should also be banned in urban areas.

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I’m happy that Boris and Sadiq both agreed on Ulez. Takes the party politics out of it.

Against unless there is cheap and reliable public transport- and there isn't.

@PuttingDownRoots 320?

I do support it, but I appreciate 1) I don't live in the zone 2) I drive into zone weekly but my car is compliant. Ds will be in school within the zone and dhs car isn't compliant, so if he needs to do sny school run, we need to remember to swop cars.

If it was perfectly good why did you need to scrap it?

Surely you could have sold it out of area?

No. It’s an unfair discriminatory tax all because Khan can't manage his budget and absolutely nothing to do with clean air, just another tax cash grab plain and simple. I live on the boundary of London where our public transport is unreliable and infrequent. I don’t even have a bus stop within a reasonable walking distance. Khan needs to go.

No. Simply put .

No as it's never been about the cleaner air. If it was then you wouldn't be able to take your car. Instead you can drive your car into....area....as long as you pay. How is it ok if you pay?
It's pushing lots of people out of business and off the road. Lots of perfectly good cars with low mileage on being scrapped

Public transport doesn't run 24 hours in outer London. I live right on the border, 10 mins walk from the M25. ULEZ is causing massive problems for lots of friends and relatives in my area. There isn't the infrastructure just to use public transport. My dad lives outside London by 1 mile. Not eligible for any help with buying new vehicle. His car is not compliant but currently works great and most of all can fit his mobility scooter in the back of it. He cannot afford to replace it and it was difficult enough finding a car that fits his scooter. Basically, from Tuesday, he won't be able to come to visit his children unless he pays £12.50. At 87, he can't afford a new car and he assumed this car would see him until he can no no longer drive. There is no suitable public transport where he lives and as he is disabled, he would struggle to use it anyway. He goes out almost every day and ULEZ is going to have a massive effect on him.

@user1477391263 and I was also around when everyone was encouraged to scrap their unleaded cars for diesels.

I live in an outer London borough which will be under ULEZ from tomorrow and the issue is that public transport just isn't as readily available in outer boroughs as it is in central London. Tube lines tend to travel in towards central London but don't traverse the outer boroughs. It takes me about 15 mins to drive to work, public transport means 2 buses and over an hours journey, not practical or do-able for my working hours when I have kids to drop off & pick up from school - part of the reason I took this job is that it fits around school hours.
And very unfair on people who live outside the M25 but commute in, have relatives inside the zone, hospital appointments etc as there is no financial support for them at all by dint of where they live.

I hear this so often and it baffles me. It's caught on as an internet gimme and I have no idea why people think it's such a good point. Would you be in favour if non-compliant cars were illegal to drive in the zone then? What would be the penalty?

A hundred quid? Then superrich could drive cars in the zone (as if they're going to drive a ten year old diesel!) but middle earners wouldn't be able to afford very occasional or emergency trips in.

The current arrangement has its flaws, but it motivates people who are going to drive into the zone frequently to change their car/use public transport while allowing someone from outer Surrey or wherever who has a one-off visit to make to use their non-compliant car at a moderate cost (by comparison with a train ticket or taxi journey).

But they will still be on the road...there is no law to stop people still owing and driving them

I'm not against the policy completely and thought it worked well in inner London, but the implementation of the expansion has been appalling. The £2000 scrappage doesn't come close to covering the cost of replacing vans and cars. I know far too many people affected. Khan has been an arrogant arse and failed to listen to concerns of those who live on the border or just outside.

It is just a tax on the poor.

How old are people's vehicles to need new ones? We drive a 2008 plate which is compliant. Most people we know have younger vehicles.

Have they actually checked their car isn’t compliant.

DH has had a conversation recently with PILs who were worried it applied to them. Their car is about a year old. There’s a lot of misinformation that people are making assumptions off the back of