Is there going to be another pandemic

[Lookingforwardtoautumnnow]

This winter?

Seen a couple of people posting about it, tbf they are conspiracy types, but I have anxiety after having covid & long covid and can’t go through all that again. Can anyone reassure me?

not this winter

what about the vaccines?

Remember, Covid was supposed to result in deaths of Biblical proportions. Myself and the rest of the family are unvaccinated, have flown, been in airports, restaurants, overseas, gave two fingers to the lockdown etc, and are perfectly fine!

Don't panic.

There are always pandemics and there always will be. Although possible, I doubt one will happen this winter, but there are worries about increasing COVID cases over that period.

@Youthinkyoureuniqueyourejustastatistic

Actually children where the lest at risk group, my extremely asthmatic son we didn't even give him the vaccine. By the time it was available for him, he'd already had covid twice with very little effect to his health (in fact he was the lest sick of all of us in the house) and the side effects risk of the vaccine seemed worse then the risk of him getting it again, as he already had natural immunity. Yet I make sure he has the flu vaccine every year as it's a much more series issue for him when he gets it.

Also the vaccine for covid, doesn't stop you getting it or passing it on to others as it didn't produce the hurd immediately they where hoping for.

there were a huge amount of deaths with covid
so pretty major

The new variant is just being hyped up to create news. I'm definitely not worried.

This, when BJ made his sombre announcement I expected to open my front door to scenes similar to the bubonic plague!
I genuinely thought we would be seeing bodies removed from homes left, right and centre.
In reality, for the vast majority of people nothing changed other than being under house arrest for flipping months while politicians enjoyed cheese and wine parties.
Even if they imposed another lockdown I certainly wouldn't comply, and neither would my friends or family 🤷‍♀️

My DD and all her teenage friends are very excited over this apparent lockdown but I’ve told them it’s not going to happen as so many people complained about the last ones and too many people will just not bother.

I was working through the last ones though and now have a different job which would most likely mean being furloughed - so I wouldn’t be sad if there was one 🤣

You have to look at the demographics of the deaths old & vulnerable with a few surprising deaths is not major from a pandemic point of view.

The pandemic planning never included lockdown for the healthy so yes it could happen again depending on what the virus is and the government of the time. If we have a proper capitalist conservative government it could be an opportunity to capitalises on it and keeps going regardless - Johnson's original statement on let the dead pile up or using an untested vaccine on the vulnerable by law as a middle ground. On the other hand you could have a government who pushes us into lockdown to try and save as many as possible. It depends on the government and scientific community of the day.

You also have to consider that for the majority covid is a mild self limiting disease if you get something like Ebola we will have to lockdown to protect the kids.

So what is the solution then?
The majority of us are stupid? What about the eminent scientists and doctors who signed the Great Barrington declaration who were proved right and if our government had listened we would be in less shit street economy wise than we are now, not to mention the mental health of those affected by lockdowns.

The fact that there wasn’t more deaths was because of the lockdowns and rules though.

So people can’t say covid wasn’t as bad as they expected as not enough people died because those deaths were prevented by lockdowns and shops sanitising everything etc.

Thats like saying there were hardly any car accidents during covid times and so that means covid and car accidents are correlated.
The disease itself didn’t impact the number of car accidents but the less traffic on the road did.

You clearly want people to say "no, you're golden" but there's no certainty with anything. Enjoy today.

You're right that we were lucky covid had such a low death rate, but for a totally different reason than you set out here. Which is that in a situation as bad as you describe, we wouldn't have a lockdown, because lockdown requires a disease not bad enough to threaten the existing social order.

With 50% death rates, people wouldn't be staying in, because basic services like the food supply chain would collapse. We'd be out looting anywhere we thought there might be food.

Basically, if you want to discuss this situation, that means thinking about the inevitable refusal of essential workers to play ball.

We're all screwed because people are stupid
@Youthinkyoureuniqueyourejustastatistic that's pretty harsh. People in MW jobs have no choice but to go to work if they've got Covid unless they are genuinely ill with it, because they don't get paid. That's not their fault. Blame the government, not people on low incomes.

I abided by every regulation around Covid, to the extent of not seeing my elderly widowed mother on Christmas Day in 2020, and watching our son go through an extreme MH crisis due to social isolation. But if the government brings in another lockdown there is no way I would comply. Not because I'm stupid, but because I think the damage to people's mental health from lockdown is greater than the physical risk from Covid.

@KingSeokjin I’m so very sorry for your loss.

OP, there will definitely be another pandemic at some point. Whether it’s this winter or in 50 years time, nobody can say. And if the world’s leading virologists can’t pin it down, then Terry on Facebook is certainly not going to be able to. What there will be this winter is our usual flu season and probably an increase in Covid numbers simply because more people will be gathering together indoors. So all you can do is take every vaccination offered to you, wash your hands as often as you can and avoid getting too close to anyone.

@KingSeokjin sincere condolences 💐
OP step away from nonsense conspiracy ejjits, especially if you suffer from anxiety, the new variant has been on the rise I believe, my dd currently has covid she was unwell for one day & apart from everything tasting incredibly sweet is fine, cases will probably rise as we into winter & flu doing the rounds but as for another full blown pandemic happening anytime soon I doubt if anyone really knows.

There will definitely be more pandemics. Odds are there won't be a completely new one so soon after covid 19.

In respect of lockdown, we know there couldn't be another one as things stand. We lack the trust, willingness and ability to fund it.

It may be that things change in the future. Impossible to say. What is clear is that the covid lockdowns required quite a sweet spot of people mainly being scared enough to voluntarily limit their behaviours, but not so scared that essential workers stopped cooperating and the fabric of society was at risk. The next pandemic won't necessarily hit that 'sweet spot'.

Tuberculosis is already very resistant to ABs

And yet there is a strange lack of concern from the cohort who wanted the borders shut during Covid.

This winter will almost certainly be rough, because this idiotic government will not be providing Covid boosters nor free flu shots. There will be a lot of Covid and flu going around. Will that add up to a pandemic, probably not, but it will not be much fun.

If we do see another pandemic in the near future I do think we'll be screwed, just look at all the comments on this thread about refusing to obey any rules on masking or lockdowns. With that attitude so prevalent, we'll be fucked.

The same people who are saying the world is flat.

There will inevitably be another pandemic at some point. But I highly, highly doubt there will be another lockdown. For a start, the government are well aware that the public would not comply with another one. Secondly, the country has been financially ruined by the last one. There is no money left for the government to throw at keeping the country going like that again.

I do love how people stomp their feet and say they wouldn't comply with another lockdown. No of course you wouldn't. Most people's idea of rebellion is eating a kitkat whilst driving 😅

Just out of interest, people who say if there was another lockdown'there's no way on god's green earth that I/my family etc would ever comply.. blah blah so there!' Etc, if there was another one, and schools closed again/ shops shut etc, how would you massive defiance work?

You'd still have your kids stuck at home! Defiance would be pretty pointless as there'd be no where to go, so would you jyst defiantly stalk up and down the road, being.. defiant..?

The new strain isn't nice at all, it's floored a few friends who have all had covid already and it's not been too bad. This time they were ill in bed for over a week.

Yesterday in town I saw people wearing masks again for the first time in ages.

I don't think there would be another enforced lockdown because too many people would ignore it.

Well, if there was a pandemic where transmission levels were high and the mortality rate was 50%, then I'm pretty sure the majority of the public would comply...