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Is there going to be another pandemic

578 replies

Lookingforwardtoautumnnow · 28/08/2023 16:10

This winter?

Seen a couple of people posting about it, tbf they are conspiracy types, but I have anxiety after having covid & long covid and can’t go through all that again. Can anyone reassure me?

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MrsSkylerWhite · 01/09/2023 10:29

Well yes, at some point. No-one can really predict when. Well-educated guesses.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 10:31

*I still don’t know why they did it.

”We didn’t know we could get away with it here then we found we could”. Power trip?

Net Zero targets were hit that year. That could be why.

Incidentally, Govt is not fully comprised of idiots. They know what Net Zero will do to our lives. Have you thought abou*t it?

Power Trip ?

Yep I've thought about it.

I just don't think we have the same world view tbh.

Fivethirtyeight · 01/09/2023 10:40

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 10:31

*I still don’t know why they did it.

”We didn’t know we could get away with it here then we found we could”. Power trip?

Net Zero targets were hit that year. That could be why.

Incidentally, Govt is not fully comprised of idiots. They know what Net Zero will do to our lives. Have you thought abou*t it?

Power Trip ?

Yep I've thought about it.

I just don't think we have the same world view tbh.

True. I’m autistic so I wouldn’t last long is a Stasi society.

But even normal people didn’t do well in the early days of USSR, East Germany, China under Mao, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Cambodia, Uganda under Idi Amin.

Command economies can’t produce enough to sustain the population numbers and lifestyles of a trade economy. It’s not possible to avoid suffering on the way.

Yes I’m hypersensitive. By how far in that direction is too far for you?

SomeCatFromJapan · 01/09/2023 10:41

And that's enough

The 0 to 59 age cohort is 0.035% for instance. For me personally no that doesn't justify a lockdown but obviously people will have different views on the threshold where it becomes justified.

Fivethirtyeight · 01/09/2023 10:51

SomeCatFromJapan · 01/09/2023 10:41

And that's enough

The 0 to 59 age cohort is 0.035% for instance. For me personally no that doesn't justify a lockdown but obviously people will have different views on the threshold where it becomes justified.

Coercion is wrong. Period. Nothing justifies a lockdown. Anyone who is worried can stay home at their own decision.

And that’s before considering the consequences. I expected worse because I didn’t know how many of our jobs were worthless. But the consequences of our lockdowns were worse for poorer countries. Here, Sunak pushed the cost down the road and people are feeling it now. Govt should not have the right to do that to people. And should not do it to poor tourist destinations and trade partners without a very good reason. Countries have learned that we can’t be trusted and with the rise of the BRICS there will be an alternative.

SomeCatFromJapan · 01/09/2023 11:00

@Fivethirtyeight I do tend to agree with you.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 11:07

Yes I’m hypersensitive. By how far in that direction is too far for you?

Most of what you've said is too far for me tbh.

I was very angry about arrests around The Coronation but I still don't feel like I live in a Stasi society.

I hope you can feel more positive about the future at some point.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 11:10

Coercion is wrong. Period. Nothing justifies a lockdown. Anyone who is worried can stay home at their own decision.

Didn't feel "coerced "

Yes I do feel lockdowns can be justified.

But I think we've agreed to differ anyway. 👍🏻

TheKeatingFive · 01/09/2023 11:54

Haven't RTFT, so apologies if this has been covered, but I doubt we'll ever see a lockdown again, because the circumstances that led to Covid lockdowns are unlikely to be replicated in another pandemic.

Healthy, working age people were unlikely to die of covid. If we had a disease with, say, 20% mortality rate in this cohort, we're going to have a much bigger challenge getting essential workers into work. We'll be lucky if we don't have total societal collapse.

TheKeatingFive · 01/09/2023 11:58

On a more cheerful note, a disease that can only be spread when the individual is symptomatic would be easier to handle.

That's one of the specific features of Covid that gave rise to lockdowns - asymptotic spread.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 15:12

sunglasses what the Government did WAS psychological abuse

Really?

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 15:14

sunglasses what the Government did WAS psychological abuse

In your opinion obvs

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 15:16

Believe me I think the Government were and are hapless shit show but " psychologically abusing" the nation?

Nah they couldn't organise a bun fight.

MeinKraft · 01/09/2023 15:40

TheKeatingFive · 01/09/2023 11:54

Haven't RTFT, so apologies if this has been covered, but I doubt we'll ever see a lockdown again, because the circumstances that led to Covid lockdowns are unlikely to be replicated in another pandemic.

Healthy, working age people were unlikely to die of covid. If we had a disease with, say, 20% mortality rate in this cohort, we're going to have a much bigger challenge getting essential workers into work. We'll be lucky if we don't have total societal collapse.

Companies who facilitated their staff WFH then called them back into the office when it suited them would never get their workforce WFH whilst doing childcare again - all the goodwill towards employers who did that is gone.

PinkCherryBlossoms · 01/09/2023 15:46

OCaptain · 01/09/2023 09:20

@sunglassesonthetable

Still at the coal face of posting

I think it's a poor attempt to tempt me into replying. I couldn't be bothered, though.

Perhaps for the best, given the inadequacy of your last few tries.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 15:50

Perhaps for the best, given the inadequacy of your last few tries.

I'm sure you're the best judge of course 😄

PinkCherryBlossoms · 01/09/2023 15:51

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 15:50

Perhaps for the best, given the inadequacy of your last few tries.

I'm sure you're the best judge of course 😄

She certainly isn't.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 15:53

Welcome, all seeing , all knowing one.

PinkCherryBlossoms · 01/09/2023 15:55

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 15:53

Welcome, all seeing , all knowing one.

Dear me, I'm only trying to be supportive of her decision. Frankly you could show a bit more solidarity.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 15:56

Dear me, I'm only trying to be supportive of her decision. Frankly you could show a bit more solidarity.

pull the other one

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 01/09/2023 19:40

SomeCatFromJapan · 01/09/2023 10:23

There seems to be collective amnesia over covid killing around 9% of people before vaccination, and no they weren't all expendable (we as a society seem to have become eugenicist about the old or the vulnerable).

That's not correct at all. The IFR was nowhere near that high. Do you have any sources for that claim?

Here are some actual figures, as you can see for most age groups it is significantly lower than 1%

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v1

Crap - sorry

Brain in complete neutral.

~9% was hospitalisation rates, which fell to under 3% after good uptake of vaccination.

(as the meme said, easing restrictions doesn't mean the pandemic is over, it means there's room for you in hospital)

And I still think we have collective amnesia about what high rates of illness mean for society, the economy and health services (even those in well-resourced countries were buckling)

JenniferBooth · 01/09/2023 19:51

So why the lack of concern over TB and diptheria from the same cohort who wanted the borders shut for Covid.

sunglasses Lucy Easthope has more experience than you over what is psychological abuse and what isnt.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 20:00

*So why the lack of concern over TB and diptheria from the same cohort who wanted the borders shut for Covid.

sunglasses Lucy Easthope has more experience than you over what is psychological abuse and what isnt.

@JenniferBooth *

Off course Lucy Blinking Easthorpe has more experience than me!

  1. I couldn't read it. Paywall
  2. You're literally flapping a Times Article and calling it " a fact." Have you alerted the rest of the UK.
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