Page 20 | Is there going to be another pandemic

Lookingforwardtoautumnnow · 2023-08-28T15:10:34+00:00

This winter? Seen a couple of people posting about it, tbf they are conspiracy types, but I have anxiety after having covid & long covid and can’t go through all that again. Can anyone reassure me?

PinkCherryBlossoms · 01/09/2023 07:06

OCaptain · 31/08/2023 13:15

@PinkCherryBlossoms

Of making your post look rather silly sausage.

Oh, right. 😂 Okay, then.

Weak returns indeed...

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 08:58

Weak returns indeed...

Still at the coal face of posting.

OCaptain · 01/09/2023 09:20

@sunglassesonthetable

Still at the coal face of posting

I think it's a poor attempt to tempt me into replying. I couldn't be bothered, though.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 09:30

Warrior Work indeed.

Fivethirtyeight · 01/09/2023 09:37

Not sure but lots of people do have the impression that the powers that be are gearing up to abuse us again.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 09:39

Not sure but lots of people do have the impression that the powers that be are gearing up to abuse us again.

Sorry but could you sound more tin hat and conspiracy ?

Fivethirtyeight · 01/09/2023 09:40

sunglassesonthetable · 31/08/2023 09:19

But you might be surprised what some people did and got away with last time, particularly towards the end.

The shit show government partygate hasn't helped.

But I think most people are generally law abiding and most people would toe the line.
There are always people who won't twas ever thus.

When the laws are evil, the only moral action is to disobey.

We are law abiding because in recent history our laws have been sensible.

That may be why it took so many so long to realise that they must rebel.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 09:41

*When the laws are evil, the only moral action is to disobey.

We are law abiding because in recent history our laws have been sensible.

That may be why it took so many so long to realise that they must rebel.*

So a citizens revolt.

Yep

hellinahandcart700 · 01/09/2023 09:41

AndIKnewYouMeantIt · 28/08/2023 16:16

If you mean lockdown over a strain of covid then - no. Who is going to listen to Rishi standing in front of a podium waffling on about Hands Face Space etc?

I'm having anxiety attacks just thinking about Sunak's smug face all over the tv - its a fate worse than death!

Fivethirtyeight · 01/09/2023 09:42

SomeCatFromJapan · 31/08/2023 11:00

I don't think we should consider lockdown as a default response full stop. It's far too costly and has had too many consequences - I'd call them unforseen except they weren't.

Quite right.

Govt prevented discussion of the consequences.

Bad faith was clear from the start.

Fivethirtyeight · 01/09/2023 09:43

MavisMcMinty · 31/08/2023 04:00

There will be another pandemic, it’s been one of the top risks to this and every other country for the last 100 years.

With luck when the next one happens we’ll have a much better government and prime minister, one who’ll bother turning up to the first five COBRAs for instance. Someone who can make timely decisions and not procrastinate until there’s just one option left on the table - the worst option.

There will eventually be an enquiry into Johnson’s handling of Covid-19 and nobody in government will come out of it well, although they won’t care, they’ll be long gone by that time. How different things could have been.

So to reiterate - there will be another pandemic and others after that, but no-one knows where it will start and when it will happen. I hope the world has learnt some lessons from Covid.

Unfortunately they have learned that they can do extreme things to is and we will not rebel.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 09:45

Unfortunately they have learned that they can do extreme things to is and we will not rebel.

They've also learned that our vaccine technology is amazing.

Fivethirtyeight · 01/09/2023 09:46

WhalePolo · 31/08/2023 08:53

I think the first lockdown, where there was no method of control (vaccine) needed to be adhered to. I can understand not adhering to lockdowns when we had vaccine access : in terms of socialisation for children, for me it was travelling to see a family member as she was alone and in desperate need, although I think I was allowed as a carer. The problem with a blanket policy is it doesn’t allow for individual circumstances. Mutual trust where there a recognition that, yes I understand I need to protect myself and others - but there is a need for me/my family to not follow guidelines because greater harm will be caused if I do. An illegal rave in a pub is likely to just cause more harm than for what it’s worth, and will then just cause heavy handed tactics from police/government. And that’s the issue - a ‘fuck you’ rather than recognising a need to protect others. Which comes through from some posters on this thread.

“Fuck you” is important. It’s a demonstration that the individuals concerned will not be manipulated into doing dreadful things.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 09:47

That may be why it took so many so long to realise that they must rebel.

Except for the 5.5 billion that took the vaccine. To end lockdown.

Fivethirtyeight · 01/09/2023 09:49

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 09:47

That may be why it took so many so long to realise that they must rebel.

Except for the 5.5 billion that took the vaccine. To end lockdown.

Giving in to blackmail is never the right thing to do. Govt isn’t going anywhere and will be back with more demands.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 09:51

Fuck you” is important. It’s a demonstration that the individuals concerned will not be manipulated into doing dreadful things.

Crack on.

Still think most people are generally law abiding. And can get their heads around a greater good.

I hate this government. But I think I understand the logic behind a lockdown.

I'm outraged at the government personnel's attitude to it though.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 09:53

Giving in to blackmail is never the right thing to do. Govt isn’t going anywhere and will be back with more demands.

Don't think it was blackmail.

I believe in vaccines. Lived all over the world and seen them in action at the sharp end of disease. 👍🏻

Also don't have the fearfulness you seem to.

Gettingbysomehow · 01/09/2023 09:59

The country cannot afford another lockdown, it's already on its knees from the last one so it won't happen.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 10:02

The country cannot afford another lockdown, it's already on its knees from the last one so it won't happen.

Can't really afford another pandemic.

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 01/09/2023 10:11

Neither unwillingness to respond by lockdown, nor feeling fed up at with restrictions, will stop another pandemic.

There seems to be collective amnesia over covid killing around 9% of people before vaccination, and no they weren't all expendable (we as a society seem to have become eugenicist about the old or the vulnerable).

Yes, I think it is quite possible that there will be another pandemic. And there will be huge cries for control measures when it arrives. Possibly including the wish that we were spending time and resources now in better indoors air quality.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 10:12

There seems to be collective amnesia over covid killing around 9% of people before vaccination, and no they weren't all expendable (we as a society seem to have become eugenicist about the old or the vulnerable).

This. Like lockdown was done just for Lols.

SomeCatFromJapan · 01/09/2023 10:23

There seems to be collective amnesia over covid killing around 9% of people before vaccination, and no they weren't all expendable (we as a society seem to have become eugenicist about the old or the vulnerable).

That's not correct at all. The IFR was nowhere near that high. Do you have any sources for that claim?

Here are some actual figures, as you can see for most age groups it is significantly lower than 1%

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v1

Age-stratified infection fatality rate of COVID-19 in the non-elderly informed from pre-vaccination national seroprevalence studies

The infection fatality rate (IFR) of COVID-19 among non-elderly people in the absence of vaccination or prior infection is important to estimate accurately, since 94% of the global population is younger than 70 years and 86% is younger than 60 years. I...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v1

Fivethirtyeight · 01/09/2023 10:25

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 01/09/2023 10:11

Neither unwillingness to respond by lockdown, nor feeling fed up at with restrictions, will stop another pandemic.

There seems to be collective amnesia over covid killing around 9% of people before vaccination, and no they weren't all expendable (we as a society seem to have become eugenicist about the old or the vulnerable).

Yes, I think it is quite possible that there will be another pandemic. And there will be huge cries for control measures when it arrives. Possibly including the wish that we were spending time and resources now in better indoors air quality.

ONS showed 2020 was a normal year.

I’ve never even seen a claim of 9%. Have you really thought about what that might look like in terms of people you know?

It was 2% of the most vulnerable and negligible of the rest. Just like the seasonal flu every year. And they knew this before lockdown from the Diamond Princess.

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 10:25

Here are some actual figures, as you can see for most age groups it is significantly lower than 1%

And that's enough.

Fivethirtyeight · 01/09/2023 10:28

sunglassesonthetable · 01/09/2023 10:12

There seems to be collective amnesia over covid killing around 9% of people before vaccination, and no they weren't all expendable (we as a society seem to have become eugenicist about the old or the vulnerable).

This. Like lockdown was done just for Lols.

I still don’t know why they did it.

”We didn’t know we could get away with it here then we found we could”. Power trip?

Net Zero targets were hit that year. That could be why.

Incidentally, Govt is not fully comprised of idiots. They know what Net Zero will do to our lives. Have you thought about it?