Is there going to be another pandemic

[Lookingforwardtoautumnnow]

This winter?

Seen a couple of people posting about it, tbf they are conspiracy types, but I have anxiety after having covid & long covid and can’t go through all that again. Can anyone reassure me?

Last time round tells us nothing about what people would do if they thought their children might die. Most people didn't think that.

No I don't think it "tells us nothing "

And I think you've forgotten that at the beginning of Covid there were a lot of unknowns. You speak with the benefits of hindsight.

What exactly do you think people's behaviour in that completely different situation tells us then, and why? And it is completely different, because even at the very beginning of people cottoning onto covid in the UK, we had seen from Italy which age groups were most at threat.

I wish people would stop with the hindsight crap. Plenty of us were warning of the consequences of lockdowns but were called all sorts of names at the time
Now we are being gaslighted out of existence

Yes there will be another pandemic, maybe more than one in my lifetime - and it will continue while "we" travel around the world spreading it so easily.

Will governments react the same way as with COVID, I hope not and doubt it tbh.

Er no with the nhs fetishism no it wasn't , people forgot that that the people keeping everything going wasn't the nhs but many others.

Thank you

Thank you

Well we're still in this pandemic, and yes another will be along at some point too, hopefully not too soon but who knows.

For covid, we know what to do now though, we wouldn't need another lockdown.

We do need some consistent messaging and the misinformation that's going around challenging though (don't trust this government to do that unfortunately).

We need people to understand that covid can have both acute and long term health impacts, that it's not good for anyone to catch it repeatedly (certainly not our kids).

There's so many things that can be done that would suppress transmission without needing lockdown. We know that FFP2 and FFP3 masks are very effective for those able to wear them, we know that HEPA filters and farUV work (government could start by getting them into schools and hospitals, businesses could be given tax breaks for installing them), we have vaccines that will help reduce severity and transmission (they could be made available to all), we have testing (which the government could provide again), there's a contact tracing app that could be started up again, we could give people proper sick pay who test positive, they could ask people to work from home where possible, we also have some anti-viral nasal sprays on the market.

Will the government do any of it? Don't think so at this point. They might widen the vaccine roll out or bring back masks in health settings if it gets really bad. They're more concerned about keeping their rich mates happy by having us out and about spending money and travelling into our offices, undermining the NHS with a privatisation agenda and saving a stack on pensions because of reduced life expectancy.

If you're concerned right now, best thing you can do is get supplies of FFP2 masks in and start using them in shops, on public transport and any health settings (especially important in health settings as there are both people there who may be infectious and people there who are very vulnerable - plus the NHS is struggling enough as it is); get some tests in and use them if you have any symptoms; start using an antiviral nasal spray.

Speak to your union, your employer and kids school to see if there is anything can be done to reduce transmission in those settings. Raise concerns with your MP and councillors. Input on the zoe app daily also to help monitor covid levels in the UK and any new symptoms.

And if you get ill, stay home if you can, and wear a mask if you can't. Read up on how to reduce transmission in your home if you live with others. The more of us that do this, the less spread there will be and the less impact on others either through hospitalisations, long term health impacts and deaths, or economically to people's businesses and employment, which is something none of us need whilst we're also in a cost of living crisis (government don't seem inclined to do anything about that either).

At the moment we're on our own so we need to look out for ourselves and each other. Roll on the election.

Yes, there wiII be another pandemic. When? I do not know. WiII it be COVID? I do not know. WiII it be worse? I do not know. But conditions for pandemics are near perfect. An overaII heating of the earth itseIf (viruses Iove warmth), the sheer number of peopIe now Iiving. The ease with which we traveI nationaIIy and internationaIIy. AII of these things make pandemics more and more IikeIy. In fact, aImost inevitabIe.

As for this newest known COVID strain, it seems to be somewhat miIder, but it aIso seems to have "Iearned" how to dodge the vaccines now avaiIabIe, to a Iarge extent. ApparentIy, scientists are now scrambIing to get an effective vaccine out, which wiII be rejected by Iarge numbers of peopIe for being "too new."

As for WHEN this new pandemic hits, there wiII aImost certainIy be restrictions. What they are depends on what IT is. Obey them, don't. I wiII onIy say that during the height of COVID, here in the USA, so many utterIy refused to beIieve it was even reaI, fIouted aII restrictions, and we had one of the highest death rates in any non-third-worId country. Keep that in mind. I, myself, was strict in my adherence to advice, but I Iost 22 dear friends and reIatives, and may Iose more, as "Iong COVID" can aIso be fatal.

Do you ever tire of being an eternal victim and making absolutely everything about ... you?

And BTW and fairly sure there would be a greater correlation between levels of illness and lockdown, rather than "people in big houses and those who want another one". That's simply looking for a reason for spite.

100%

The effective application of NPIs ‘buys time’ to allow the development, evaluation and manufacturing of such therapies and vaccines at scale. So there is every reason to think that the application of combinations of NPIs will be important in future pandemics, particularly at early stages with novel pathogens when there are knowledge gaps and when therapeutics and vaccines are not yet available.

https://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/impact-non-pharmaceutical-interventions-on-covid-19-transmission/covid-19-examining-the-effectiveness-of-non-pharmaceutical-interventions-executive-summary.pdf

Lockdowns and face masks really did help to control covid-19Non-vaccine measures such as social distancing and wearing face masks have been "unequivocally effective" at preventing the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, according to a major report by the UK's Royal Society.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2388929-lockdowns-and-face-masks-really-did-help-to-control-covid-19/

Yes that’s a real worry

So this is aimed at the people who swear they will never adhere to another lockdown:
what about a disease that has a 10% death rate, or worse, something really unspeakably horrible like Ebola ?
I really hope and think you would comply.
The worry I have is the conspiracy lunatics who would say it was all fake, even when faced with the evidence.

Ah yes The BBC is our reliable source of Information- I forgot- silly me 🤦🏻‍♀️

Have you ever listened to Russell Brown / Jordan Peterson /Matt Walsh/ Dr Saad and so many others silenced by the mainstream media? - these people are constantly trying to create awareness but I guess we shouldn’t listen to them as they use YouTube / Spotify /Rumble and other platforms such as these. They are the ones telling us the truth and providing a clear picture on so many issues .

But pls do continue listening to the BBC though just like every other good little person should. And good luck with supporting the deception the mainstream media is promoting

Russell Brand * not Brown - autocorrect aargh

IMO the pandemic was just a strain of the flu that no one bargained on, whether it was released from a lab or not it depends on what people are willing to believe.
If you believe all the effects that could cause C-19 then it could be a strain of the flu or any other illness. In my case I've had some of the effects that they claim that could cause C-19 for years, if not decades.

@Hihellogoodbye

Of course people are aware of them, but they are supporting fringe beliefs. Often for their own profit. And there is no guarantee that their views are any more or less biased than the BBC. In most cases - likely to be far more biased and politically influenced.

This is why consensus science is likely to be best and safest advice as it has essential peer review which aims to eradicate bias.

It's a completely different family of virus. Or are you saying that every single researcher in every single country who has actually looked at and sequenced it are all lying?

Also, influenza has a very different disease pattern and does not cause the cardio vascular, cognitive, metabolic or immune suppressant effects seen after covid.

This has been answered loads of times in the thread, but I'll go again.

People seem to default to this when they're uncomfortable hearing others say they wouldn't observe another lockdown. It's almost a trope at this point.

But lockdown needs a disease that isn't bad enough to threaten the basic functioning of society. Staying the fuck at home requires millions of people to work outside the home not just in jobs like hospitals and police, but also supermarket warehouses, bin collection, bus driving etc. With covid, this workforce was never sufficiently personally threatened for many of them to just refuse to play ball.

Basically, if you want to present a scenario where you think people would be too scared to have their friends in their houses, that means it's also a scenario where people would have to be much more personally afraid. Where you couldn't assume the things that kept lockdown going would actually be there. You're clearly assuming that lockdown 2020-1 style would actually be possible for the bulk of the population here. I don't think that's an assumption we can make.

This has been answered loads of times in the thread, but I'll go again.

Excuse me since when were you the arbiter of information on this thread.?

And why do you even think previous answers were convincing enough?

I don't think they have been either despite your lecture.

Given that you haven't even been able to keep your own argument about this scenario consistent, your feelings about whether mine is convincing don't mean much. One minute you were saying people would definitely comply if children were threatened, the next we just couldn't possibly say.

Flu actually can cause quite a few issues. It can cause sepsis and inflammation of the heart and brain and cause multi organ failure. And increase peoples risk of heart attack and stroke for a while after. Some people can suffer from chronic fatigue after it.
I agree it's a very different virus. But the symptoms can be exactly the same in some people and can cause both long and short term health issues.
I have had covid and flu. I felt far far worse with flu and the after effects lasted far longer. (Was off work for 10 weeks with flu in 2007 when I was in my 20s and had a few chest x rays due to ongoing pain and concern about blood clots in my lungs. Covid i was off for one week and watched TV in my 40s). But many people have had the opposite experience. Maybe my next covid will be awful and I'll be hospitalised. And my next flu is much milder. Would I want either again? No. I know the risks and problems of either can be terrible. I'll happily get vaccinated/boostered against both each year. But I accept that there's still a chance (especially as I get older) that both could leave me very ill or worse.

Although actually @Rosejasmine I may have been a bit more arsey in tone to you there than you deserved, so apols for that.

You did just ask it as a question without feeling the need to arrogantly assure people or frame it as some kind of gotcha like some of the earlier contributors to the thread.