Is there going to be another pandemic

[Lookingforwardtoautumnnow]

This winter?

Seen a couple of people posting about it, tbf they are conspiracy types, but I have anxiety after having covid & long covid and can’t go through all that again. Can anyone reassure me?

There are alternatives we had a pandemic strategy that Sweden adopted. All I know this is that we can’t afford another lockdown, there is so much fallout from mental health, missed cancer screenings. I was speaking to a speech and language therapist last week and referrals are at an unprecedented level as babies were not socialised. Is that what you are saying, just shut down society, and don’t worry about mental health, other illnesses and not come come up with an answer as to how this is going to be paid for? For a virus that by and large was not harmful?

@Lookingforwardtoautumnnow

So the one certainty is that there will definitely be another pandemic - a widespread occurrence of an infectious disease over a whole country or the world at a particular time. According to The Telegraph, Joe Biden's 'administration is buying Covid equipment and hiring pandemic “safety protocol” officers. And the federal government is also sending $1.4 billion to defense contractors and pharmaceutical companies for more Covid “countermeasures” and vaccines.'
A recent UK report 'published Thursday by the Royal Society looked at findings from six evidence reviews that analyzed thousands of studies to assess the effect of masks, social distancing and lockdowns, test trace and isolate systems, border controls, environmental controls and communications. It found evidence that each of these measures — which are called "non-pharmaceutical interventions" — were effective, albeit to varying degrees, when looked at individually. However, the evidence in favor of using these tools was stronger when countries combined several measures.'
So when there is another Pandemic the UK government will no doubt look to this and based on these results will look to implement this package of measures.
It was absolutely awful last time and so many of us suffered terribly because of lockdown.
However, I suspect there will be many that will protest another lockdown so i'm not sure how it would pan out in real life.
I think that what would be good is to look for some help with your anxiety, perhaps see your GP?, though I would highly recommend meditation and mindfulness as that has helps so much with anxiety.

@Cariadm there were also alternatives from eminent scientists and doctors who signed the Great Barrington declaration, so yes there are alternatives.

And if we do have another pandemic, our best defence is scientific consensus thought - not those who rally against it.

You cannot purely sympathise with those who were badly affected by lockdown without consideration for those who would have been badly affected had we not locked down. Otherwise it’s a biased view. Scientific consensus thought attempts to be free from bias and consider all sides with essential peer review.

And a heck of a lot of people did die and are dying due to lockdowns meaning other illnesses weren't picked up or treated in early stages.

Not people pretending to care about others again 🥱
Wanting another lockdown is coming from the people with no friends or social life who can stay at home again in their pj's and not feel like weirdos, whilst being paid for doing fuck all, except of course bossing everyone else around for being uncaring whilst pretending they are saving the world.
It's self indulgence of the most selfish, needy, fake kind.

I feel there’ll be a return to mask wearing and social distancing in the coming months, and how that will impact everything else and escalate is anyone’s guess?
People can’t work if they’re too ill to work, and organisations can’t run if people aren’t there.
Covid seems to be spreading rapidly locally.

Everyone knows that, I'm not sure why apart from the zero COVID nutjobs thinks that it's going away.

Only virus in humans eradicated is smallpox, we got polio quite low but it's making a comeback.

@User2346
The Great Barrington had links to the AIER which is an extreme right organisation. It was also promoted by the likes of reformUK.

Covid strains have been getting weaker with each new strain and most of the population has been vaccinated a few times, immunity has been created at this point. we may have a new strain this winter but it will be much weaker than the others 2 years ago and quite unoticeable, so you have nothing to worry about. At this point normal flu is more worrisome.

This said… you never know if some crazy batshit new virus will be created in some scientist basement and spread again like a plague, I don’t have a glass ball but I highly doubt it. If you live in the western world Pandemics are very rare and usually happen once in our life time.

Chill.

So only left wing/communist views count? The likes of Susan Minchie who makes no secret of her links to the communist party?

No … it’s the papers whipping it up again
They are watching like they always watch out .. it makes click bate imho

Really? So if something like ebola (fatality rate 60%) makes its way to the UK you are going to just keep on partying and sending your kids in to school?

And independent sage had links to the left and communists your point being.

It depends on your definition of the word “Pandemic”

Peer reviewed papers put the infection rate of Rona lab jab bio bomb fiasco at 0.07..

Personally I didn’t see anyone dropping dead, I don’t know anyone who died from Covid who didn’t have a comorbidity.

I know a few people who got very ill like flu, some of them had had 4 jabs & kept getting it.
Which annoyed most of them obviously.
I saw & heard a lot about it....I read a lot about & if bio chemical weapons & corruption & profiteering are to be termed “conspiracy” & the media whipped money spinner of vaccines a “pandemic” , then....I’d say, it’s inevitable & obvious the likes of Schwab & Gates (who frequently talks about “the next pandemic” will be on hand to help, whilst people who wait for the TV to tell them what to do will have breakdowns until the tell e vishion says it’s time to line the kids up for boosters . It’s a parents duty to find out what is going on & if it’s safe, not cower & give their autonomy & power away right in-front of said child.

Take it easy, the viruses aren't the problem, being corralled into 15 minute cities & having our immunity destroyed is worth getting pissed off about though.

I hated learning about the G.E.R.M software built by vaccine man Gates & the treaty signed by over 150 countries, giving that crazed billionaire the ability to -in his own words “declar the next pandemic & supersede each countries laws & binding them to lockdown mandates”
So, yes, there are things & people more terrible than you understand trying , in constant flux , with the opposition (you call us conspiracy theorists)
If one group of a few big rich nasty bullies can scare & convince the whole playground to go along with their nonsense once, then yes, it’s likely going to continue. But at least you have time to look into things like the WEF 2030 goals for sustainably & centralised social credit (Prince Charles signed us up ) I won’t recite the many things that have broken me to realise about the nature of things behind the curtain. But I’ll tell you it’s comforting to remember a little Shakespeare “life is but a walking shadow” & I can’t speak for the people who you say upset you by posting about the way of things, but have you considered that they were trying to help people? That they are desperate now, like you? But they’re desperate to get together & stop it, whilst others prefer to ignore. That’s just people.

@User2346

I didn’t say that, but if you are promoting Great Barrington people should be aware of its political affiliations.
My personal belief is that scientific and health advice should be as free from political bias as possible. And should certainly be free from extremism.

That’s why I believe a consensus scientific approach is the best approach.

There could be a new wave of new variant COVID but I can't imagine there will be the same requirements for isolation etc now the vaccine has reduced the risk.

There are always viruses circulating, even new ones. It's unlikely we will get the "once in a century" pandemic again, but it's possible.

Yes, really.

These things are not lockdown as we practiced it in 2020 and 2021. That was brand new. Not all of the elements it incorporated were, but that's a different point.

And it's true, lockdown was a policy borne of widespread Internet access.

I agree but this didn’t happen last time did it? The Press, Airtime and questions at Downing Street were full of Independent sage and left wing bias press. Anyone who dared to challenge was dismissed as a covid denier, nutcase, conspiracy theorist.

If we had a virus so bad that it could realistically take out half the population, we wouldn't have a lockdown. Because society would be on the verge of collapse. Whether people were illegally having house parties would be the least of anyone's worries. There'd be no food on the shelves.

*These things are not lockdown as we practiced it in 2020 and 2021. That was brand new. Not all of the elements it incorporated were, but that's a different point.

And it's true, lockdown was a policy borne of widespread Internet access.*

Of course they were not lockdowns as practiced in 20/21. 😆

But they are definitely the precursor . And based on the same principles.

@User2346
But we were a right wing government…
My hope would be that there would be sufficient access to opinions and info to come to a consensus opinion.

I can see the importance of the economic side. I can see the importance of the saving lives side.

I don’t actually think it’s possible to remove political bias from the equation, maybe more to have a balance of both left/right opinions.

It might be spreading rapidly but we are heading into winter where we all get viruses and the world survives. We won't all get it at the same time (we've just had it) and even then the vast majority will be well enough to just get on with it. The new evidence on FFP masks is more worrying than COVID what have we exposed people to is a very valid question

But not lockdown.

The fact that humans have previously done things to try and control pandemics doesn't negate that lockdown couldn't have happened before widespread Internet.

But you just said that all political bias should be removed and I agree wholeheartedly.
We do technically have a right wing government but had a weak leader at the time that took on board whatever the person in front of him said.
The mainstream media that was left as hell dominated most news channels and press for the whole pandemic. Susan Minchie was a regular and Robert Peston dominated the q and a sessions at briefings.