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To find it uncomfortable with men staring at my DD?

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creamtogowithyourscones · 20/08/2023 11:27

She will be 16 in November and she’s already getting lots of stares from men. She’s very pretty and she looks closer to 18.

Last night we had dinner with my sister and niece and a man on the next table (who was on a date) kept glancing over trying to make eye contact.

I just want to protect her but also she’s at that age where she’s going to do what she wants.

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FineganFineagain · 20/08/2023 13:00

(it was a girls school absolutely plagued with flashers and masturbators in hedgerows) my god men are grim.

When the gender ideologues bang on about how we're all the same, no difference between genders only body parts, so get used to male bodies in female spaces and if you object you're a hateful bigot, we should all recall the statement above and tell them to fuck off. Can you imagine a boys' school experiencing women flashing and masturbating in the hedgerows? Can you imagine there being a market for unwashed male underpants? A woman phoning a barbershop to breath heavily down the phone and ask them if they're waxed bare down below (this happened to me at the salon I owned)? Has a woman ever been found guilty of videoing under a changing room door, placing spy cameras in male toilets, violating a body in a mortuary, raping a patient in a coma etc etc? What's the expression? "The more I learn about men the more I love my dog".

Regholdsworthswaterbed · 20/08/2023 13:43

My DD is 12. She's very pretty but she doesn't look older than 12, not particularly physically developed yet and average height and I've clocked grown men eyeing her up. Fucking perverts, she's very obviously a child.

Mydogisagentleman · 20/08/2023 14:16

My daughter is a godess, she hadn't always been.
When she was about 14, some workmen at her school were quite clearly checking out the girls in PE.
The girls had to walk back to the changing rooms about 25 metres away from where they were working.
One of the 'men' was the eldest brother of a friend. He appeared to be a ringleader/gob 9n a stick. My DD heard a couple of comments, walked closer to him and barked.
I'm not sure why, but she uses this technique whenever she feels she is being objectified

dottiedodah · 20/08/2023 14:17

DM about 14/15 went to the cinema with my Nan about 1950s era .Sat down and a guy next to her, had a rolled up mac on his lap ,kept pushing mums skirt up little by little .She told Nan who stood up and shouted " You Filthy Beast" at him! Lights came up and he scuttled off! We need to check every single piece of this crap .Its high time we called these pervs out!

Roselee1 · 20/08/2023 14:19

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Sugargliderwombat · 20/08/2023 14:20

I remember the disgusting stares we used to get in our school uniform. They do it because they get away with it.

Sugargliderwombat · 20/08/2023 14:21

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Maybe they shouldn't be gawping at anyone then. And unless he was 18-19 then he knew he was too old to be leering at someone.

TheaBrandt · 20/08/2023 14:22

How about just not leering and leching or shouting obscenities at anyone? Not like it’s fine if you’re 21. Pretty much every woman I know seems to manage not to do this to teen boys / young men 🙄🙄🙄

enchantedsquirrelwood · 20/08/2023 14:22

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They're not, but if they are eg in their 40s, they know that a 16 year old is a lot younger than them and at best in their early 20s. So too young.

And if they are in school uniform it's blatantly obvious they are 16 or under.

I have a son but if I'd had a dd and this had happened to her I'd definitely have said something. I don't think many 14 year old girls would be embarrassed about their mothers calling out grown men leering at them.

TheaBrandt · 20/08/2023 14:24

Dd2 has had this since 12 as she is tall blonde confident and looks like a supermodel. Funnily enough we are in a southern European Mediterranean country notorious for this but it’s actually better here and worse at home in England

TomatoSandwiches · 20/08/2023 14:24

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Are you deliberately ignoring the posts where posters daughters are ein school uniform?
I have never witnessed a group of middle aged women gawp and cat call a teenage boy in public minding his own business.

Iam4eels · 20/08/2023 14:28

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Maybe they shouldn't be harassing anyone at all then they won't need to worry about "accidentally" harassing a minor? And if they can't go out without harassing women then they shouldn't go out at all.

nameitagain · 20/08/2023 14:31

People are deluded if they think only pretty teens are gawped at. Creepy men will look at any young girl. They really don't discriminate

Roselee1 · 20/08/2023 14:33

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StopStartStop · 20/08/2023 14:34

I didn't call it out. I just drew her attention to it, so that she'd know to be wary of men. I used to count, aloud.
I remember one morning in Oxford where I got to 648, and the passing lech heard me and laughed. She was stunning...

Yes, so. Men will perv on our daughters. As a teenager (in fact, up to my mid-thirties) I used to think women should be issued with handguns and given the right to terminate men who leered. After that, I just thought, be aware, make daughters aware, be safe. No shooting. Men aren't worth the jail time.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 20/08/2023 14:34

It’s not just men this happens too, my 14 year old 6ft 2 muscular handsome rugby player gets eyeballed by woman/girls all the time, he was collard by one woman (early 30’s) that she liked it rough and she could teach him a thing or two… dh had to intervene and asked if she was proposing to sexually assault a child…

Ds1, 17, incredibly handsome footballer model also gets approached by females in a similar way however not as bad as ds2.

His industries however makes it a common traits to be objectified.

It’s just not men who leech, it’s inappropriate either way.

Screamingabdabz · 20/08/2023 14:34

creamtogowithyourscones · 20/08/2023 12:33

Inner chav? 😐

Stand down op. I am 100% chav but present as a respectable Seasalt-wearing middle aged woman.

TheaBrandt · 20/08/2023 14:35

so? Is your position that it’s ok to leer gawp at and harass women as long as they are over 16? It sounds awfully like it you utter weirdo.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 20/08/2023 14:35

It’s not just **women

Screamingabdabz · 20/08/2023 14:35

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 20/08/2023 14:34

It’s not just men this happens too, my 14 year old 6ft 2 muscular handsome rugby player gets eyeballed by woman/girls all the time, he was collard by one woman (early 30’s) that she liked it rough and she could teach him a thing or two… dh had to intervene and asked if she was proposing to sexually assault a child…

Ds1, 17, incredibly handsome footballer model also gets approached by females in a similar way however not as bad as ds2.

His industries however makes it a common traits to be objectified.

It’s just not men who leech, it’s inappropriate either way.

The power dynamic does not make this the same!

Naunet · 20/08/2023 14:36

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Is this a serious question? School uniforms don’t seem to stop them and that’s a big fucking clue, don’t you think?
Do you make a habit of defending perverts, or are you maybe one of them?

Screamingabdabz · 20/08/2023 14:36

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Oh well that’s ok then. If they wear make up they’re fair game eh? 🙄

pompomdaisy · 20/08/2023 14:36

I used to say 'she's 14 you peedo' - it worked quite well. Now they challenge themselves.

NerrSnerr · 20/08/2023 14:37

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They don't need to worry about the age if they don't stare at any women. It's awful to have men letch over you whatever your age.

Inkpotlover · 20/08/2023 14:41

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Are you suggesting that if men know the young woman they're perving over is aged 16 or above that's okay? 🙄How about men don't perv over ANY women and make them feel uncomfortable/belittled/objectified?