I have no words - woman now stranded after wanting to give birth in St Lucia (on the beach...)

[Nanny0gg]

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/new-mum-stranded-after-being-8669669

What on earth were they thinking??

“Judge Rhys Rowlands told him he could not imagine anyone "in a million years" failing to realise they were entering a dual carriageway”

Yep, sounds like the same Clive! 🤣

A stillbirth on the beach wouldn't have been great . They were lucky nothing went wrong in the delivery.
Entitled and incredibly stupid people. Zero sympathy for them, but I pity their poor little girl and the new baby. They don't deserve idiots for parents.

The registration office, immigration office and passport offices on St Lucia turned them away according to the article. All of whom had an opportunity to ensure the baby wasn't being trafficked or allowed to be stateless by being proactive about ensuring the couple were following whatever robust process is necessary to verify parentage and citizenship.

You know St Lucia is a tiny place don't you ?Its also classed as a developing country .

Of course it doesn't have the same resources and facilities as in the UK. ( Things probably always take longer. )

You seem to be describing the situation as if it had occurred here in the UK and not a 27 mile long island.

Pretty sure they've got their own local issues to deal with as well. Perhaps this irresponsible foreign couple is not the first priority for lots of 'proactive' assistance.

The absolute entitlement of thinking you can rock up with an unidentified newborn in a foreign country and then be scooted through all the bureaucracy and red tape quick sharp after a call to the British High Commission is just 👌

Thick as mince

Exactly my thoughts when I saw the thread title. Oh what a pair of sillies!

If the man in the car article is the same person then his occupation doesn't sound middle class but it begs questions about income. The address given isn't one that's rolling in money. It was 7/8 years ago but they were living in a cheap flat. Again given his age, it's either low income or screams divorcee especially with the age gap relationship. Or a full on cocklodger. Student/voluntary worker in your fourties when you have a new baby? Hmmm. Sounds a catc. Fell runners have a screw lose in my experience. I mean you have to be, to be a fell runner in the first place!

The beach articles don't actually give Clive's surname. Only hers. One article says he has the same surname as her but that looks like some lazy twat journalist has got her name and seen they are married and decided that women are the possession of men (I didn't take DHs surname and people have assumed he is MrToothbrush rather than MrHisSurname on numerous occasions).

The 192 entry for the potentially unrelated Mr CarDriver has two others apart from the oddly named Iiulia at the same address. A adult with the same surname as him and an adult with the first name Clive and a different surname. Suggests perhaps two adult sons (one with the same first name as him - always a sign of a man who thinks a lot of himself) or other relatives lived with him rather than evidence of Clive having used multiple surnames.

But couple living in the same area with same rather unusual identifiable names does make it look like they are the same people.

If it is the same couple I find it mad how they could afford to go to the Caribbean on an intended prolonged trip in the first place. It was never planned to be just a couple of weeks. Does he have a job to come back to? People have asked on this thread why neither has returned to the UK to work. If he didn't have a job, that would explain it. As for her, she'd in theory be on Mat leave. So she'd have to have taken that early at 35 weeks in order to go to the Caribbean. If she has a job of course. And she'd have paperwork for that (I'm betting here she's not forgotten that paperwork). Or she's self employed or they've been living off a social media career in which case the birth was all about that - except where is the money shot of her giving birth?

Unless she went into labour at the wrong time and fucked it up meaning they've screwed the pooch on the income they were counting on for their extended holiday. So now are running off to the press (for a fee?) to try and claw that back and to boost their social media profile. Eight year old stopped being cute and good for social media?

Either way, even if Clive the FuckWitt is a different bloke, everything here still screams absolute chancers. If it is the same bloke, expect a series of utterly trashy articles about them and a full exclusive interview. Yawn. Mail are probably casting for a replacement to the bloke who ran off with his Ukrainian refugee.

They don’t seem to be into planning and prep. That poor little girl back home.

It hadn't actually clicked with me they'd not put his surname. I know discussions above about it but I hadn't actually clicked they'd put hers and not his.

It's a very interesting part of this story (now the pennies dropped 🤦🏼‍♀️)

Maybe this is all “Classic Clive” behaviour.

😂

I wondered if the daughter is hers.

Also why couldn't they get a passport for her?

It was a horror story last year, but since last summer things have changed. My friend got her daughter's in 5 days,

The daughter back in the UK. poor soul.

This. Imagine a St Lucian couple rocked up in Britain saying they’d flown into France, given birth to a baby out at sea off the coast of a third country, say Denmark, a few months ago, and why were we being so obstructive as to refuse to register the birth now they’d pitched up in Britain? They’d be very lucky not to be arrested on suspicion of trafficking, and the baby taken into emergency foster care.

Just mind-blowing that they think they are the ones who are being hard done by here.

This. Imagine a St Lucian couple rocked up in Britain saying they’d flown into France, given birth to a baby out at sea off the coast of a third country, say Denmark, a few months ago, and why were we being so obstructive as to refuse to register the birth now they’d pitched up in Britain? They’d be very lucky not to be arrested on suspicion of trafficking, and the baby taken into emergency foster care.

And it would take months and months to untangle.

I’m so impressed with some of the detective work being done on this thread - I’m now utterly over invested in finding out what happens 😄

Oh and those who are alleging trafficking - surely they wouldn’t have gone to the press?!? 😳

I think it's stupid wankery of the Instagram kind, TBH.

I also think this pair of dafties don't realise that registering the baby is not the same as getting a passport. Every country has their own rules about registry and nationality. Anyone born in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of their parents, is automatically American. That is not the case for people born in the UK (and most of Europe), nationality/rights to a passport are based on the nationality of the parents.

So even if they had obtained a birth certificate for their child in St Lucia, or Grenada, or Outer Mongolia, they would have still had to prove to the UK authorities that the child in question was eligible for a British passport, based on the nationalities of their parents.

Agreed. (And that woman does not look as if she recently gave birth.) I'm not surprised the authorities are suspicious. The whole story stinks.

Oh come on @NumberTheory your interpretation of “The registration office, immigration office and passport offices on St Lucia turned them away according to the article” is doing some heaving lifting there 🤣

The article says:
“Initially, they were told by a hospital they couldn't register her birth because she was more than 24 hours old. Then an immigration office said they needed proof the baby was theirs before a passport office said they couldn't help because the couple had no proof of where Louisa was born.”

That’s like me going sad face in the paper, “I went to KFC, McD and Burger King, and no-one would sell me a pizza” 😢
Oh - and for it to come out that the guy in Burger King was half way through drawing me a map to Domino’s when I just walked out and sailed to another country and asked their local chamber of commerce to go and get me pizza whilst I sat on my arse.

Even in your very short quotation all 3 agencies didn’t just slam the door in their faces, but told them why they couldn’t help - this signposting what the couple needed to do next. Like, get a DNA test.

@MistyGreenAndBlue i have friends who looked like that days after giving birth - I hate them obviously 😜 but it’s not the weirdest thing about this story.

I don't think anyone is denying that these circumstances are somewhat unusual. And that this pair are caught up in a bureaucratic loop of can't get a passport without a birth certificate, can't get a birth certificate without a DNA test, can't get a DNA test quickly.

Yes it's a pain and we've all felt frustrated at times dealing with official bureaucracy and government processes. But this situation is entirely of their own making, and entirely predictable. And stamping your feet because your own stupidity has put you in the position of dealing with authorities in multiple Caribbean countries as well as the UK authorities just makes you look like a knob.

I wondered if the daughter is hers.

Also why couldn't they get a passport for her?

If the daughter is not hers, or not Clive's, then she has another parent somewhere. Possibly that parent has her passport, and has refused permission for her to travel abroad.

I expect the baby isn’t trafficked, but there are some criminals who think attack is the best form of defence, and start throwing accusations and complaints around when it looks like they are about to get found out, in order to muddy the waters and stop people investigating too deeply.

Basically if you were trafficking a baby and the authorities were asking too many pointed questions, creating a tabloid sob story and media campaign to get you home might, might make the authorities in St Lucia so heartily sick of dealing with you and the circus surrounding you, that they let you and the baby home just in order to get rid of you.

Also see every woman who has gone into labour overseas with no travel insurance and wants letting off the hospital bill, and plenty of drunken thugs who think a tabloid sadface claiming it’s all a terrible mistake will get them out of an Ibiza prison. None of these people ever have any kind of case, but a surprisingly high number do end up succeeding.

True spike Milligan fought in the second world war for Britain but was refused a British passport as he was born in india...when his dad was serving in the British army!