Page 14 | Statement by the Chair of the Conservative Party

newnamethanks · 2023-08-08T14:00:13+00:00

"If they don't like barges they should fuck off back to France". 30p Lee Anderson of course, not the BNP. Not the National Front or whatever their current name is. The Chairman of the Conservative Party. Supporters must be so proud. What a statesman. So Churchillian.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 08/08/2023 18:48

Also LOL at “if it is a bit long”. Perhaps by your standards it is. You certainly seem to have some trouble understanding it.

itsgettingweird · 08/08/2023 18:48

I can not and will not ever support people traffickers and criminals using illegal routes to take advantage purely to improve their financial situation! For every pound that is being wasted on economic migrants could have been spent on those truly in peril. It’s a bloody disgrace and has to stop.

Only 1/4 are economic. The rest are genuine. home office statistics.

And yes the people traffickers exploiting those in desperate need do need to be stopped.

I'm not sure how that can happen by housing those waiting ro their claims to be heard on barges etc.

It could be stopped by having immigration claims from abroad, safe passages, not cocking up the system and causing a backlog, working with France etc.

It does need to be stopped.

Why aren't you livid with the Tory's for making it worse since 2010 and. Reacting this situation in the first place?

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 08/08/2023 18:49

CloudyMcCloud · 08/08/2023 18:39

That's entirely about creating an artificial crisis

It’s not artificial and it will become increasingly an issue due to mass displacement, which admittedly is only just being talked about properly. The direction of where this is going is not with you.

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It is completely artificial in how the Tories are choosing to frame it.

The only issue here is people are trying to cross the Channel in small boats, which is completely unsafe, and that once they arrive here they are faced with a ridiculous and inexcusable delay and period of total inactivity thanks to total underprovision of means to process them. It's entirely a crisis created by the UK government thanks to refusal to spend on services, and a determination to block all reasonable, feasible routes of entry into the UK for people who are genuinely in need of asylum.

"Small boats crisis" is not artificial, it's very real.

"People arriving here in small boats creating immigration chaos/destroying UK cultures/determined to come here to sponge, so we need to deport them to Africa" is completely artificial, due to the fact that it doesn't reflect the reality of demographics in the UK whatsoever.

It's spun like that though because "brown people stealing our jobs/oggling our women/sponging our benefits, lets fire them into the sun" plays well to morons who vote Tory when it comes to election time. It's far easier to sell that to people that 'Shit, we've made mess of this because we are incompetent ideologues who have no idea what we are doing".

loulouljh · 08/08/2023 18:49

I agree with him. I am sure there are many British homeless people who would be quite happy in this accommodation.

DuncinToffee · 08/08/2023 18:49

Remembermynamealways · 08/08/2023 18:48

Actual question: why on earth is ANYONE supporting more illegal migrants arriving here? Why?

Seeking asylum is NOT illegal

jgw1 · 08/08/2023 18:50

Remembermynamealways · 08/08/2023 18:46

I agree!
Let’s speed up processing by declining all applications until the actual refugees in this country already have somewhere to live! We need to house the million or so that have just arrived!!!

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A million refugees just arrived? Over what timescale was that?

Zebedee999 · 08/08/2023 18:50

I say let millions in with no controls at all. After all we have abundant cheap housing, schools and hospitals that are practically empty.
We only let net 600,000 more people into the country last year, I say let millions in.
The only issue will be all those that perpetually whinge that schools and hospitals are full and housing too expensive etc... I wonder if any on this thread have whinged along those lines??!!

Wsmi · 08/08/2023 18:50

jgw1 · 08/08/2023 18:43

If the Prime Minister is so determined as he says to stop the boats, why is he also so determined to increase climate change and thereby add to migration?

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Why don’t you tell us transwomen are women and go for the full house. It’s like ‘progressive’ bingo.

Twyford · 08/08/2023 18:50

25sheets · 08/08/2023 17:30

Are you real??? You are saying hard working men have chosen to work and live on this accommodation and that's fine because they chose it BUT men trying to gain access to the UK illegally haven't had a choice on where to live and may not want to live in these conditions, so it's "imprisonment". Absolute BONKERS.

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For the millionth time, asylum seekers have not come to this country illegally.

Yes, if people who are very well paid to do work that entails living on these barges for relatively short periods, manifestly that's fine. They've attested that it wasn't great, but at least they had their own rooms, they were only sleeping and sometimes eating there, they had recreation rooms etc, they were reasonably safe in the event of fire.

Do you think that might be a bit different from being forced to live there for long periods, spend most of the day on the barge, share a room with one or more strangers, for women to be housed amongst strange men, in overcrowded conditions, where our own fire brigade has said they are in danger?

Nowanextraone · 08/08/2023 18:50

What I simply don't understand for everyone saying we should take ALL the immigrants (both legal and illegal) is where should this end?? When do we say we are full? When most of the third world is here??

itsgettingweird · 08/08/2023 18:50

RadishAndTwiglet · 08/08/2023 18:47

The Fire Brigade said the barge was unsafe and could become another Grenfell Tower. Any accommodation in the UK should be safe and meet legislation.

That's practically a green light invitation for some idiot to set fire to it on purpose to prove a point. I'd put money on it.

I'm afraid to say I have had the same concerns

SimplicityHurts · 08/08/2023 18:51

dimorphism · 08/08/2023 18:38

What a breathtakingly crass response to what @BiscuitsandPuffin posted. So refugees=good but the response to the lived experience of someone forced to sleep rough after escaping an abusive relationship, when a child (in the last year of school) is 'these refugees are more important than you'?

I think Biscuits experience is all too common - there aren't enough shelters, more and more people sleeping rough or sofa surfing and who can't afford food / housing.

I suspect there will be a large number of voters to whom whether or not the free accommodation and free food offered to asylum seekers is luxurious enough will be way down the list of priorities below obtaining / affording accommodation and food for themselves and their children.

The only way to make people care is to improve their situation, and that isn't happening, and although the Tories are to blame I see no coherent plan from Labour that they'd do any better with the kicker that children's and women would no longer have human rights as a point of policy (rather than just what's happening on the ground because the law isn't being enforced).

It's really difficult to see how anything will ever get better. I do wonder why people want to come here still, given it's so shit.

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Thank you for posting. That's what I took away from this post too. Awfully dismissive response to @BiscuitsandPuffin . Yet again the homeless problem isn't deemed to be enough "on tre nd" to get worked up about and fight for change; but migrants on a barge is. Yes it's shit truly, but let's not forget they will be provided with food/heat/medical assistance/money/support - what do the homeless get???

Twyford · 08/08/2023 18:52

Viviennemary · 08/08/2023 17:38

I don't get why makeshift tents are acceptable in France but we are expected to provide hotel accommodation.

We aren't.

HTH.

DuncinToffee · 08/08/2023 18:52

AgathaSpencerGregson · 08/08/2023 18:28

The refugee convention does not confer an entitlement to claim asylum in the country that suits you best.

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Doesn't it? Please show me where it states that

CloudyMcCloud · 08/08/2023 18:54

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 08/08/2023 18:49

It is completely artificial in how the Tories are choosing to frame it.

The only issue here is people are trying to cross the Channel in small boats, which is completely unsafe, and that once they arrive here they are faced with a ridiculous and inexcusable delay and period of total inactivity thanks to total underprovision of means to process them. It's entirely a crisis created by the UK government thanks to refusal to spend on services, and a determination to block all reasonable, feasible routes of entry into the UK for people who are genuinely in need of asylum.

"Small boats crisis" is not artificial, it's very real.

"People arriving here in small boats creating immigration chaos/destroying UK cultures/determined to come here to sponge, so we need to deport them to Africa" is completely artificial, due to the fact that it doesn't reflect the reality of demographics in the UK whatsoever.

It's spun like that though because "brown people stealing our jobs/oggling our women/sponging our benefits, lets fire them into the sun" plays well to morons who vote Tory when it comes to election time. It's far easier to sell that to people that 'Shit, we've made mess of this because we are incompetent ideologues who have no idea what we are doing".

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It won’t be feasible to take everyone who wants to leave where they are. Countries will find they have extreme tensions or they’ll have to find a way to deal with borders

It’s not easy to envisage but look at climate crisis and mass displacement, for some reason we’re not really looking at it. It’s a given though, people will move in increasing numbers.

I would say it makes sense to get prepared but it’s not an easy sell.

Remembermynamealways · 08/08/2023 18:54

Can you imagine being an Afghan family having been brutally tortured for supporting British forces, left in a one room bed sit for YEARS with no end in sight, and the bleeding hearts on here are demanding more illegal immigration and we should do absolutely nothing to stop those working the system for financial gain?

Seriously what planet are you on??

jgw1 · 08/08/2023 18:54

Wsmi · 08/08/2023 18:50

Why don’t you tell us transwomen are women and go for the full house. It’s like ‘progressive’ bingo.

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That is an excellent answer to why the Prime Minister is pushing too mutually contradictory policies.

DuncinToffee · 08/08/2023 18:54

loulouljh · 08/08/2023 18:49

I agree with him. I am sure there are many British homeless people who would be quite happy in this accommodation.

You would house homeless people on a barge that is deemed unsafe and could become another Grenfell?

HannibalHeyes · 08/08/2023 18:54

Fuckingfuming1 · 08/08/2023 18:18

I’m perfectly capable of doing the maths thank you.

Housing anybody in a hotel on a long-term basis is not very cost-effective. So they need to process quickly. Wherever they’re going to house them. But it is not a mess to suggest that asylum seekers are enjoying a better quality of life than the indigenous population at least in the short-term.

just out of interest have these people been given the option to fuck off back to France?

I wonder how many of them might take it once they’d had a quick look around the UK ?

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I really don't think you have. Using your own made up figures;

1 night in a Travelodge = £70
x 3 (as you The Express claim they are marking up) = £210
x 365 (I'm sure you can work out what that one's for) = £76,650
x 2 (2 years) = £153,300
x 500 (number of asylum seekers on the boat) = £76,650,000

£1.5 Billion - £76,650,000 = £1,423,350,000

I.e. this scheme still costs more than 19 times as much as your spurious figures for the hotel...

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 08/08/2023 18:55

Wsmi · 08/08/2023 18:50

Why don’t you tell us transwomen are women and go for the full house. It’s like ‘progressive’ bingo.

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Well it might go some way to offsetting the 'ignorant, vicious, xenophobic arsehole' bingo. There's plenty of that on Mumsnet.

CloudyMcCloud · 08/08/2023 18:55

Twyford · 08/08/2023 18:52

We aren't.

HTH.

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We aren’t what?

We do provide hotel accommodation don’t we?

Remembermynamealways · 08/08/2023 18:55

So rather than a barge, shall we set up a Calais style jungle in your home town?

Lets lay out a welcome mat, and follow France’s example shall we?

Remembermynamealways · 08/08/2023 18:58

It’s astonishing the ignorance on here. Do all these people trafficking cheerleaders live in the arse end of nowhere without any means of understanding the reality of this unfolding disaster??

Or do they live in the most exclusive postcodes? They sure as hell don’t live in Dover or Ramsgate!

Iwasafool · 08/08/2023 18:58

ilovebrie8 · 08/08/2023 18:22

The barge is clean and dry etc as another person mentioned earlier if they were still in France it would be a tent in a muddy field if that. Look at the people here living in mould and damp conditions they’d be happy with this am sure.

Maybe the next barge could be for people like that then. I'm not convinced I'd be happy to be sharing a room with 3 strangers and at my age I hope they wouldn't make me have the top bunk as I might struggle to get up there.

It would be interesting to see what the uptake would be.

Twyford · 08/08/2023 18:58

SimplicityHurts · 08/08/2023 17:44

Safer and warmer than the streets though is it not?! Your argument doesn't stack up I'm afraid. I truly wish compassionate thinking would extend to ALL vulnerable groups, including @BiscuitsandPuffin who has given a very real account of what a place on a floating barge would have meant to her in her time of need...

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If I had to live most of the time on a barge which is less safe than Grenfell Tower, I'm not sure that I would agree - particularly given the danger that someone will target the barge. Nor would I feel that safe if forced to live somewhere surrounded by strange men and where security seems pretty iffy.

Why does the alternative have to be the streets? Why not an efficient asylum sifting process beginning in France (as offered by the French government)? That would mean that no-genuine claimants could be swiftly deported, and genuine claimants could be moved on to other areas where they could begin to work and become net contributors to our economy. If this government had been interested in resolving the problem, it could have had all this in place years ago.