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I am so over pronouns.

179 replies

TheDogAndDogAtCrutchley · 08/08/2023 01:09

I don’t care if I never hear another pronoun again. It’s not like they’re moving grammar along nicely now, is it?

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LadyMaryTalbotCrawleysEyebrows · 08/08/2023 01:18

I have always eye rolled at the obsession with them. We must be near peak pronouns by now surely ? It's just ridiculous.

heartbunny · 08/08/2023 01:21

I feel like we've probably passed peak pronouns and are on the other side of the curve gently moving to whatever the next intense fad may be.

minou123 · 08/08/2023 01:27

I might be confused here, but isn't "I" a pronoun?

heartbunny · 08/08/2023 01:40

minou123 · 08/08/2023 01:27

I might be confused here, but isn't "I" a pronoun?

Yes if we want to go down the grammatical use of the word. I suspect the post is regarding the pronoun sign offs on emails etc "H Bunny (she/her)" kind of thing.
Though you're right to check, I could of course have got the wrong end of the stick here in which case happy to be corrected by OP. Smile

HiHoHiHoltsOffToWorkWeGo · 08/08/2023 01:49

You used 6 pronouns in your opening title and post - I, I, I, it's, they're, it.

Good luck constructing a normal sentence without using he, she, his, hers, they, their, we, I, our, my, mine, you, yours, us, it, or variations thereof.

YABU.

Tiqtaq · 08/08/2023 01:50

(I/ME)

HiHoHiHoltsOffToWorkWeGo · 08/08/2023 01:51

minou123 · 08/08/2023 01:27

I might be confused here, but isn't "I" a pronoun?

You're not confused at all

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoun

lilacsinbloom · 08/08/2023 01:54

My theory is this fad began when people realised there was nothing left to tattoo that signalled they were different and special - other than the whites of their eyeballs. The fact that actual grownups, universities, government departments, workplaces, etc etc worldwide are caving in and pandering to this nonsense astounds me. At some point, the often middle-aged adolescents pushing for this rubbish will age out of it, and the rest of us will still be left with the damage.

thegarmadons · 08/08/2023 02:10

Sounds like a you problem. Someone introducing with their pronouns or signing an email does you no harm. If it really is that annoying to you, you need to change your outlook on life. There's much better things to waste your energy on.

VariationsonaTheme · 08/08/2023 02:18

thegarmadons · 08/08/2023 02:10

Sounds like a you problem. Someone introducing with their pronouns or signing an email does you no harm. If it really is that annoying to you, you need to change your outlook on life. There's much better things to waste your energy on.

It may do me no harm but if it leads to a culture of expecting people to declare their pronouns then it might cause harm to others. It’s not all about ‘me’.

LadyMaryTalbotCrawleysEyebrows · 08/08/2023 02:21

VariationsonaTheme · 08/08/2023 02:18

It may do me no harm but if it leads to a culture of expecting people to declare their pronouns then it might cause harm to others. It’s not all about ‘me’.

This.

Rudderneck · 08/08/2023 02:22

I keep thinking it's peaked, but then I see it in some new place, or some new, bizarre, version.

The most recent weirdness I encountered was a person who said she has no pronouns. And no,she didn't mean that she did not believe in the whole gender/queer theory/give your pronouns stuff. I'm still not entirely sure if the idea was she did not care which you use, if she wanted them avoided all together, or what. But I'm not cutting out pronouns altogether no matter what anyone says.

SunRainStorm · 08/08/2023 02:24

I think your own understanding of grammar is shaky at best, so I wouldn't get too high up on your horse about it.

You must have a charmed life if this is what upsets you.

lilacsinbloom · 08/08/2023 02:25

thegarmadons · 08/08/2023 02:10

Sounds like a you problem. Someone introducing with their pronouns or signing an email does you no harm. If it really is that annoying to you, you need to change your outlook on life. There's much better things to waste your energy on.

The desecration of both language and common sense does no harm? I would say it is doing untold harm to society for us to be pretending this absolute nonsense it real.

CarpetSlipper · 08/08/2023 02:26

Yanbu. I just don’t care. I don’t care what pronouns anyone refers to me by and have no wish to be forced to state a preference.

I also don’t really care about anyone else’s pronouns but will call people by the ones they wish me to because I understand not everyone thinks the same as me.

SomewhereWithSomeone · 08/08/2023 02:26

🙄 at the posters pretending they don’t understand.

Basing pronouns on gender is something I won’t do.

HiHoHiHoltsOffToWorkWeGo · 08/08/2023 02:27

VariationsonaTheme · 08/08/2023 02:18

It may do me no harm but if it leads to a culture of expecting people to declare their pronouns then it might cause harm to others. It’s not all about ‘me’.

Some years ago - before anyone added (she / her) to their email signatures, I worked with a woman called Jamie - and yes, she'd always been called Jamie, it was on her birth certificate, and had always been a woman.

She was enormously fed up of being misgendered - and was constantly having to deal with external people who weren't expecting Jamie to be a woman. Her email signature read "Miss Jamie Smith" in an effort to be gendered correctly at least some of the time. It wasn't always terribly effective.

I can only imagine that having (she / her) on her email has been something of a relief to her.

Maybe, just maybe, a culture of declaring pronouns does some people good and does you no harm at all.

lilacsinbloom · 08/08/2023 02:30

You can see who has "swallowed the Kool-Aid" on this thread. Who has embraced the New Speak. Who is monitoring for Thought Crimes.

MrsJamin · 08/08/2023 02:45

The other day I was doing an online support chat on a website and the advisor gave their preferred pronouns. Why on earth would I need to know them?! I refuse to put it anywhere. I'm a middle aged mother, it's perfectly easy to know my sex, no one has ever been in any doubt.

LadyMaryTalbotCrawleysEyebrows · 08/08/2023 02:48

Unless it's a gender neutral name then it's far easier to use the individual's name.

timetorefresh · 08/08/2023 02:50

I saw a woman, clearly a woman, wearing a lanyard with a handmade sign with "pronouns, she/her" written on. She was stood in front of me in a queue at a tourist attraction toilets. I did wonder what went through her mind when she did that.

tiredofthenoise · 08/08/2023 02:53

My parents gave me an ambiguous name (almost exclusively used by men) decades before they could have foreseen current events. I never used to mind people doing a double-take or commenting on my name, because obviously I was female and the odd name was only a curiosity and ice-breaker, but now it sometimes makes me a bit uncomfortable. Most likely people will still be able to tell I'm a woman (because how many transwomen would choose to go by a traditionally male name?), but it has made me feel a trifle awkward from time to time.

Then there's my friend who is exceptionally tall, with an athletic build. She's already had one vile woman who was bold enough to ask her if she's trans and then respond with (faux?) shock when told that no, she's female. Large woman dealing the best they can with PCOS-related hair do exist. Hmm She's always been sensitive about her height and features, and she really didn't need this in her life.

So yes, I do hope the insanity will end soon, but I doubt we're on our way out of the woods just yet.

Kinneddar · 08/08/2023 03:26

HiHoHiHoltsOffToWorkWeGo · 08/08/2023 01:49

You used 6 pronouns in your opening title and post - I, I, I, it's, they're, it.

Good luck constructing a normal sentence without using he, she, his, hers, they, their, we, I, our, my, mine, you, yours, us, it, or variations thereof.

YABU.

You know very well that's not the pronouns the OP is referring to 🙄

CrazyArmadilloLady · 08/08/2023 03:41

HiHoHiHoltsOffToWorkWeGo · 08/08/2023 02:27

Some years ago - before anyone added (she / her) to their email signatures, I worked with a woman called Jamie - and yes, she'd always been called Jamie, it was on her birth certificate, and had always been a woman.

She was enormously fed up of being misgendered - and was constantly having to deal with external people who weren't expecting Jamie to be a woman. Her email signature read "Miss Jamie Smith" in an effort to be gendered correctly at least some of the time. It wasn't always terribly effective.

I can only imagine that having (she / her) on her email has been something of a relief to her.

Maybe, just maybe, a culture of declaring pronouns does some people good and does you no harm at all.

But it doesn’t do me, and others who think like me, ‘no harm at all’.

By agreeing to pronouns, I’m agreeing to self-ID, to men in women’s single sexual spaces, changing rooms, hospitals, sports, prisons.

That’s when harm occurs, and not necessarily even from trans people. From men who intend to harm us, who see a loophole.

If there wasn’t any issue around ‘harm’, then people would hardly have an issue with it obviously, would they?

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