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to be able to expect my kids to play safely in our own back garden?

184 replies

RedJools · 27/02/2008 14:59

Grrr! We have a back garden, which backs onto woodland which we also own. It is lovely and, I thought, a great place for our kids, as I grew up in the house next door to this, and loved the outdoor space as a child. At the moment dd1 and dd2 have part of the garden almost completely fenced off to play in. They are 4 and 2.5. We also have 2 rabbits in a big run, that the kids love to play with, sandpits, chutes a playhouse etc. It's not a huge garden, although we have a lot of space which I hope eventually to turn into more garden for them to play in. So far so good.

Unfortunately, some idiot who lives way over the other side of our woods has a Japanese Akita, a Rottweiler and a Staffie x, which he seems to make no attempt to keep in. They have burst their way into our garden and attempted to kill our rabbits, causing huge damage to the run and garden.Having caught them in the garden 4 times, we informed the police, who told us they can't do anything unless we know whose dogs they are. (From this logic, don't bother telling the police if your house gets burgled, unless you know who did it) So we found out who owned the dogs, which wasn't hard, as it turns out they have been reported to the police several times by other neighbours and belong to the local hard-cases (drug-runners, murderers etc). Having passed this information on to the police, I was told there is nothing we can do unless we can prove they are his dogs! (So even if you find out who burgled your house, don't bother going to the police until you have detailed your fingerprint evidence and run your DNA samples)

I am not frightened of dogs. I am a vet with 12 years experience, and as such I do know a bit about these breeds. Enough to know they should be treated with caution, and never out without an owner on their own, never mind in a pack! Amongst the useful suggestions the police gave me were:
Fence off all our ground (would only cost about £2000-£3000, no problem!!!!)
Put poison down- I have 3 small children and 2 dogs of our own! Besides "is that legal?" "Oh, er, not sure!"
Phone the dog warden- he came 2d later!!
Check and see if the owners name was on the collar- yeah, as its standing growling at me with its mates, I'll just casually sashay up to it and grab it by the collar...
I've taken photos and we finally scraped together enough money to reinforce the fence and make it higher. Was just starting to relax, even though I know the beasts are still crashing about in our woods/ driveway, until I saw the bloody rottie sauntering past my kitchen window today, round my front garden, through the front gate and round the back again!! I saw red and chased it, (breaking my good mop in the process-grr!), and DH has had to give up his afternoon off to get stuff to block up the bit beside the front gate now!! Its like living in Fort Knox, and I STILL don't feel safe letting my kids out the back. Yes, I am usually out there with them, but even if I was, and they were playing with the rabbits would I be quick enough if these dogs came back?

I KNOW their owners might say they are "big softies" (heard that sooo many times, usually before a dog goes for my face!) but surely they should not be roaming unsupervised in a street where kids often kick a football/ ride bikes/ walk smaller dogs? In fact, I know they shouldn't. the police say they have spoken to the owner, but that is all they can do. I don't want to get involved with these people if I can help it- by all accounts they are nasty and dangerous, and my dh is away quite a lot. I asked the police to stress to the owners that they were going into gardens where there were small children, but that doesn't seem to have pricked their conscience. I could understand the dogs escaping once, or even twice, but over the last year they have been in my garden about 12 times! Obviously I don't want to hurt the dogs, as a vet, and , more importantly, for fear of retribution!! But I am getting so angry now- for once even the rottie was scared of me today, although possibly because it didn't have the others with it!

Any ideas??

OP posts:
morningpaper · 27/02/2008 19:56

shoot it with a taser of something (surely everyone has one lying around)

then bash the feck out of it with your mop

then claim (to the Daily Mail et al) that it was purely Death By Mop fueled by Mother's Love

make sure that YOU do the autopsy

sorted

WorzselMummage · 27/02/2008 19:57

absolutly QC, bump them off.. horrid things.

*Waits patiently with wine in hand for rotweilerforums to come and have a go

PollyPentapeptide · 27/02/2008 20:11

I think we should form a mumsnet 'hit squad' or at the very least, give RedJools an alibi :D

Quattrocento · 27/02/2008 20:15

Okay. Next time the pack infest your garden, you have to go and engage the local drug baron in conversation (maybe you could invite him to join the Women's Institute?).

We'll come around, off the dogs and drag their corpses into the woodland.

Easy

WorzselMummage · 27/02/2008 20:17

but how are we gonna bump them off and will we have to bury them ?

I can try and get some of those white paper suits so we wont leave any forensics

WideWebWitch · 27/02/2008 20:18

Fking hell, I'd be pissed off. No idea what you shoudl do but sympathy.

Quattrocento · 27/02/2008 20:20

Oh good idea on the White Paper Suits

No-one will spot us in those

I think we need to leave the corpses where they can be readily found

Otherwise the OP's alibi will be no use at all and she will have to socialise with the drug baron for the rest of her life for no good reason

WorzselMummage · 27/02/2008 20:26

she'll have to develop a liking for narcotic chemicals.. she can stock pile them to bump off any future pain-in-the-arse canines

[slysmile]

PollyPentapeptide · 27/02/2008 20:34

I have a 'scenes of crime' tent that they use to cover over dead bodies in woodland beauty spots (we use it as our mess tent when we go camping )

That'll come in handy surely!

TheDuchessOfNorksBride · 27/02/2008 20:36

Keep on at police, wardens etc but try a deterrent (other than poisoning )?

Do you know anyone with electric fencing (the proper sort for horses etc) that you could borrow? We use it a lot and having been zapped once or twice, our dog is now very wary of it, even when it's not switched on.

And like our dog, the children soon got the hang of it too. You could run a length along the back fence on the woodland side maybe?

Or give the trespassing dogs a high-powered hosing down but obviously not if the children are outside and probably best if you could do it from a place of safety too. Although they might think it's fun and come back for more...

The Staffie you could drop-kick back to his house but I wouldn't mess with the other two!

WorzselMummage · 27/02/2008 20:37

absolutly.

we could find a farm and feed them to the bigs ?

or put them in a mindcer and use them as fertiliser ?

Quattrocento · 27/02/2008 20:38

Gosh I am now really getting into this idea.

I like the tent - yes that sounds good but we'll have to wipe the fingerprints off it

Now, these chemicals. How do we get them into the dogs?

I don't fancy injecting them. What do you think about a bit of steak maybe, laced with chemicals?

It's not very certain. What about those tranquiliser gun thingies

Can anyone shoot straight?

Quattrocento · 27/02/2008 20:40

Duchess, I never had you pegged as a woolly liberal

It's the OP's woodland as well as her garden.

The dogs deserve to die.

Mind you, maybe the owner does too

LadyOfWaffle · 27/02/2008 20:41

Only read OP - if they were doing that alot, I'd just bundle them in your car and take them to a local rescue centre TBH, the owners obviously do not look after them properly.

WorzselMummage · 27/02/2008 20:46

my dogs got a real liking for KFC, i recon even the most stand offish rotty could be seduced by a zinger tower with ketamine dressing.

Quattrocento · 27/02/2008 20:48

Okay

KFC it is

The OP needs to know we're here, with white suits, tent, money for KFC, ketamine.

Much more permanent solution and less of an eyesore than a wire fence

lilipup · 27/02/2008 20:52

we have a much less significant problem with a barking dog behind our house, but annoys the feck out of us, so really sympathise. taking them to Court over it, as like you, intensely resent not being able to relax in our own home without the little bugger barking all day and night behind our bedroom windows. however, Court system taking forever, Police say not much they can do about it, even the so-called antisocial behaviour people and nighttime noise people don't really have much to say on the matter, and we've concluded, the system just doesn't work for decent people who want to have a quiet life in spite of irresponsible chavs. i've seriously contemplated ways of eliminating the thing, but pretty sure we would end up with a criminal record instead of them. write to your local Cllr/MP etc, and go to press, as the system only seems to cave in under that sort of pressure. you could try the court order route as at least if they then don't comply with that, you can go back to the Police with something substantial they need to act on.

Heated · 27/02/2008 20:52

Yellow pages: marksmen?

Become a daily pest to the LA and report them every day for a 6 weeks?

AlistairSim · 27/02/2008 20:56

I know a friendly taxidermist.

How about we stuff them and prop them up in the owner's garden?
See how long it takes him to notice?

This is, of course, after someone has done the wet work.
Wouldn't fancy sticking a fistful of wadding up a rottie's bum.

TheDuchessOfNorksBride · 27/02/2008 20:58

Quattro - @ woolly liberal. DH thinks I should revive the Whigs as a political party.

I'm just a wee bit concerned about the dogs owners. Dogs in the garden could become the least of redjools worries if she wasted their 'pets'. So it's white papers suits AND plastic bag shoe-covers for you and your dog-assassin henchwomen, OK?

Besides, a strip of electric fencing isn't going to prevent her & DCs from going into their woodland, you just switch it off and climb over/under it.

lilipup · 27/02/2008 21:00

Do an internet search for every instance in the last 5 years of a child being savaged by a dog.

Print out all the news articles.

Write a brief summary of your circumstances, detailing the names, ranks and appointments of the officers you have spoken to when seeking help.

Put this together with a covering letter, addressed to the local newspaper and copied to the chief constable, local MP and councillor. The covering letter should state that the named officers will be culpable through their inaction if any harm comes to any person or child from these dogs.

Heated · 27/02/2008 21:02

Lie? Say the pack went for the youngest child and you had to fight them off/barricade yourself in.

oops · 27/02/2008 21:07

Message withdrawn

PollyPentapeptide · 27/02/2008 21:09

lmao at 'wet work'

bohemianbint · 27/02/2008 21:35

Sorry but LMAO at this thread - it's straight out of Roald Dahl!

Massive sympathies, I'd go berserk if any dog appeared in my garden, let alone massive scary evil ones.

I'll tune in again to see how the devil dogs meet their demise...