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to be able to expect my kids to play safely in our own back garden?

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RedJools · 27/02/2008 14:59

Grrr! We have a back garden, which backs onto woodland which we also own. It is lovely and, I thought, a great place for our kids, as I grew up in the house next door to this, and loved the outdoor space as a child. At the moment dd1 and dd2 have part of the garden almost completely fenced off to play in. They are 4 and 2.5. We also have 2 rabbits in a big run, that the kids love to play with, sandpits, chutes a playhouse etc. It's not a huge garden, although we have a lot of space which I hope eventually to turn into more garden for them to play in. So far so good.

Unfortunately, some idiot who lives way over the other side of our woods has a Japanese Akita, a Rottweiler and a Staffie x, which he seems to make no attempt to keep in. They have burst their way into our garden and attempted to kill our rabbits, causing huge damage to the run and garden.Having caught them in the garden 4 times, we informed the police, who told us they can't do anything unless we know whose dogs they are. (From this logic, don't bother telling the police if your house gets burgled, unless you know who did it) So we found out who owned the dogs, which wasn't hard, as it turns out they have been reported to the police several times by other neighbours and belong to the local hard-cases (drug-runners, murderers etc). Having passed this information on to the police, I was told there is nothing we can do unless we can prove they are his dogs! (So even if you find out who burgled your house, don't bother going to the police until you have detailed your fingerprint evidence and run your DNA samples)

I am not frightened of dogs. I am a vet with 12 years experience, and as such I do know a bit about these breeds. Enough to know they should be treated with caution, and never out without an owner on their own, never mind in a pack! Amongst the useful suggestions the police gave me were:
Fence off all our ground (would only cost about £2000-£3000, no problem!!!!)
Put poison down- I have 3 small children and 2 dogs of our own! Besides "is that legal?" "Oh, er, not sure!"
Phone the dog warden- he came 2d later!!
Check and see if the owners name was on the collar- yeah, as its standing growling at me with its mates, I'll just casually sashay up to it and grab it by the collar...
I've taken photos and we finally scraped together enough money to reinforce the fence and make it higher. Was just starting to relax, even though I know the beasts are still crashing about in our woods/ driveway, until I saw the bloody rottie sauntering past my kitchen window today, round my front garden, through the front gate and round the back again!! I saw red and chased it, (breaking my good mop in the process-grr!), and DH has had to give up his afternoon off to get stuff to block up the bit beside the front gate now!! Its like living in Fort Knox, and I STILL don't feel safe letting my kids out the back. Yes, I am usually out there with them, but even if I was, and they were playing with the rabbits would I be quick enough if these dogs came back?

I KNOW their owners might say they are "big softies" (heard that sooo many times, usually before a dog goes for my face!) but surely they should not be roaming unsupervised in a street where kids often kick a football/ ride bikes/ walk smaller dogs? In fact, I know they shouldn't. the police say they have spoken to the owner, but that is all they can do. I don't want to get involved with these people if I can help it- by all accounts they are nasty and dangerous, and my dh is away quite a lot. I asked the police to stress to the owners that they were going into gardens where there were small children, but that doesn't seem to have pricked their conscience. I could understand the dogs escaping once, or even twice, but over the last year they have been in my garden about 12 times! Obviously I don't want to hurt the dogs, as a vet, and , more importantly, for fear of retribution!! But I am getting so angry now- for once even the rottie was scared of me today, although possibly because it didn't have the others with it!

Any ideas??

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Kathyis6incheshigh · 27/02/2008 17:34

Beanie - I suppose it's about how high you think the risk is of something actually happening. Statistically you are probably right - although you hear a lot in the news about dogs killing children we are still talking about a very few(!) cases a year.
Would still want to do something but I admit that may be to do with fear as much as reason.

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BITCAT · 27/02/2008 17:34

Dangerous dogs act!!! A lot of dog owners are very good ie clean up after them, dogs well behaved and on a lead!! Fantastic and i even notice some that pay extra attention and will be careful around children..i have no problem with these owners!! But our path down to school is always covered in dog poo..digusting!! We saw an old gentleman (about 60ish) walking along, let his dog crap and then continued to walk without a care in the world!! Yes he got told off by us..selfish!! it's these people that piss me off!! And it's always the old ones or snobs, that live in the big houses!!

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BITCAT · 27/02/2008 17:36

As far as i'm concerned, a few cases is too many!!

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Vacua · 27/02/2008 17:38

x posted, sorry - would it really be very expensive to put up some cheapish barrier (chicken wire?) around the garden? I don't think you should give up complaining to the police and dog warden and RSPCA and MP and local press and so on.

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foxythesnowman · 27/02/2008 17:40

This makes me SO angry

What is it going to take for the authorities to do there F%^&ing job properly and deal with it? Does there have to be a terrible incident before the police enforce the law or the Council to take care of it?

Don't settle for it. Email/write to the Council, take it higher. Make a mighty great fuss and kick off.

They are putting your family at risk by their failure to act.

Grrrrrrrrr!

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Vacua · 27/02/2008 17:43

what's the dangerous dogs act got to do with it?

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TurkeyLurkey · 27/02/2008 17:44

I know! Can you catch them, take their collars off and drive them to an RSPCA dog home far enough away from where you live so it won't get re-homed near you?

Practice putting on a sad face when you say to the rescue centre "oh we'd sooo love to keep them but its just not possible with my rabbits and children, what a shame, hope you find them a good home". Then scarper.

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WorzselMummage · 27/02/2008 17:45

i have to say that if it were my life these dogs were ruining i'd keep my head down so the owners don't know me and i'd poison the bastard creatures and hope they died in the woods.

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RedJools · 27/02/2008 18:01

We did look at chicken wire, but these guys could flatten it and it is a wide area, so would need lots of posts to keep it upright. DH has used stronger wire-stuff to block that last gap, and we are wiring all along the front of the garden- the back is already reinforced!! Thank you for all your sugestions and support ladies!! I'm off for tea now, but really appreciate all your help Jx

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Wisteria · 27/02/2008 18:13

Chicken wire would be like cotton to a Rottie anyway

I think you have no choice but to involve the press and your local MP; take photos of the offenders but please don't lay poison down.

It's not actually the dogs' fault that they have 'shit for brains' owners.

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lucyellensmum · 27/02/2008 18:18

From what you say RedJools i think poison is your only option: for the owners!!!!

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lucyellensmum · 27/02/2008 18:26

Otherwise get a lion!! I used to own a rottie, two in close succession BUT I would SHIT MY PANTS if i were to come across one without its owner, let alone with an akita and a ridgeback. I am very wary of akitas actually, they are perceived as big cuddly teddy bears, every one i have met has been aggressive to a certain degree. That and what the OP says about its owners (charming people) i cant begin to advise.

RedJools, have you tried approaching the owners at all - i mean, just because they are drug runners and murderers it doesnt mean they wont be nice polite young men who will do anything for their neighbours - i mean, look at the krays , but they MIGHT listen to reason mighten they? Especially if you say you are worried for your children. ITs a long shot i know but,,,,,,,,

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Sam100 · 27/02/2008 18:35

How about this see here. Hopefully if you can make it uncomfortable for them to enter your property then they will change their habits and go somewhere else.

YANBU by the way - if these were normal folks you were dealing with I would suggest the civil courts and suing them for damage to your property but that does not sound like an option here.

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PollyPentapeptide · 27/02/2008 18:40

I dont agree about trying to capture the dogs and rehome them further afield.

For one thing,you would be putting yourself in danger trying to get close to them and then you would essentially be passing the problem on to someone else.

If these dogs are intent on killing, then they will .

In the papers a few years ago, a mother struggled in vain to pull the family dog off of her child as it attacked her. Like most parents, she would have been prepared to have risked her own life to save her child and in these circumstances I guess that you wouldn't know your own strength. However, she was still unable to pull the dog off and her child died after 3 weeks in intensive care.

This is why I am so surprised that the police don't do more to help. For what its worth, we did involve the press and they ran a good half-page article. Local residents made annoymous statements but non of us were prepared to have our photographs taken because of this mans reputation. But as I said, he is still blantantly ignoring that and the court order and everything else. I guess having worked for the police for so many years himself, he knows that the law is such an ass and that he will get away with it.

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DarthVader · 27/02/2008 18:43

Sounds awful.

TBH I would build a BIG fence or move house.

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RedJools · 27/02/2008 19:18

The last time the police came round it was just after a child had been mauled by a rottie in the news, and they were a bit more sympathetic, although still couldn't do much. I asked them to explain the situation to the owner when they went to see him, and stress that it wasn't a case of us being p'd off with the dogs for pooing on our lawn, or even trying to get at our rabbits- it was the risk to our kids. I hoped this might twang some heart strings, but obviously not, as they've been back 4 times since

I REALLY don't want to move house, even if we could afford to, as this is my dream house and is next door to my dad, which has worked out beautifully for all of us. It is the street I grew up in, and I know all the neighbours. THis is the only thing ruining it. My only hope is that these people will either lose the dogs or that they will move- you never know!

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WorzselMummage · 27/02/2008 19:46

are the owners of the dogs council tennants ?

you could always try complaining about them to the council if they are ?

failing that Bournville it is.

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PollyPentapeptide · 27/02/2008 19:51
Grin
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sophiewd · 27/02/2008 19:51

There was a big newspiece on this problem on 6pm news on BBC might be repeated on 10pm news saying how hot police/dogwardens are being on dogs, might be a good idea to phone again and point this out to them.

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WorzselMummage · 27/02/2008 19:52

There must be a way to bump off dogs which is pain free ish ?

death by chocolate sounds a good way to go to me.

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morningpaper · 27/02/2008 19:52

could you electrify the fence??!!

or get gun practice

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RedJools · 27/02/2008 19:54

It kind of looks bad as well, though, doesn't it: "Local vet shoots/ electrocutes family pet".......

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Quattrocento · 27/02/2008 19:55

You're a vet for goodness' sake ...

You have the means and the opportunity ...

These are truly horrible frightening dogs that are not being kept within the law

I mean I wouldn't exactly advertise that you'd put them down

And I probably wouldn't use anything traceable

But I think you'd be justified

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WorzselMummage · 27/02/2008 19:55

lmao can you imagine the headlines !

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QueenEagle · 27/02/2008 19:56

Go to the local paper.

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