Climate lockdowns

[Jbrown76]

As seen in the media recently, Europe is experiencing extreme heat, fires ect caused by climate change and global warming. It's terrifying. what sort of things can be done, will climate lockdowns help?

Do you think we'll have voluntary or mandatory climate lockdowns? Aka banned from travelling, no flights, cars ect, no red meat, encouraged to walk or cycle,15 minute cities?

When do you think it might or will happen? What will it look/be like? Will you voluntarily lockdown and reduce your carbon footprint? Or does the government habe to mandate climate lockdowns?

I'd settle for an extreme one month lockdown each year where it's actually illegal to go outside under almost any circumstances - including on your own property, so flat-dwellers aren't discriminated against so much

Wtf? Why?

Few people think about this. The industrial revolution enriched many nations and now we're going to start telling developing nations they must make sacrifices to save the planet when they have played a minimal role in creating the problem.

We're quite likely to enter a phase of climate imperialism because keeping developing nations poor and hungry works to our advantage. I wonder how many of the anti racists will ignore that if the alternative is not being able to tumble drying their washing.

I know, seems a lot of people like the idea of a lockdown...as long as the lights/internet/TV/sewage/supermarkets/pharmacies still keep running...

as long as the lights/internet/TV/sewage/supermarkets/pharmacies still keep running

Quite. I'm sure if that went they'd change their tune sharpish

Of course before any of the more “extreme” measures might be taken, the use of CBDBs might “force us to change behaviour” at point of purchase. And the carbon credit thing could be tied into that.

The WEF are very keen on this, as is Rishi.

There are many ways to skin a cat.

Meow. Ow.

I'd never say never after covid but politically climate change is very different to covid.

If there was a climate lockdown it would need to be extreme and permanent and even if the UK did that there would be no noticeable affect on climate change unless the rest of the world did it to (and even that might not stabilise global warming in any noticeable way). People create CO2 just by living.

So people would be asked to completely change their lives, mostly for the worst, and there would be a huge economic impact, for no tangible benefit with no end in sight. The UK is unlikely to be as adversely affected by climate change as other parts of the world so I doubt there would be the political will for it.

We have seen in the last few years that an immediate threat will make a longer term threat completely inconsequential in people's minds. Think about the amount of disposable PPE and tests used for covid.

I can imagine rationing of things and taxation and financial incentives to make certain changes but telling people to stay at home has a huge impact on quality of life and is not likely to be a good tool to prevent climate change.

But basically, as I see it, we "just" need large amounts of energy from a source which doesn't produce CO2 or large-scale carbon capture. Nuclear can provide that amount of energy with existing technology. The CO2 "saved" by building one nuclear power plant would absolutely dwarf the CO2 saved by co-ordinating thousands of people to make small lifestyle changes. So I don't see the issue as fundamentally unsolvable. There is a huge economic incentive to solve it (which could perhaps be strengthened politically through taxation / subsidies or legislation). I think the difficult thing is that a co-ordinated response is needed and that the problem has never been an immediate threat - any action which an individual government could take is unlikely to have any measurable affect alone and there is therefore little incentive to do it.

As I see it, throughout human history, science and technology advance over time. I don't think it is realistic to try to remove technology which people have become accustomed to and which have in many cases massively improved quality of life, by artificially putting people into a political lockdown and expecting them to live like people did in the past. Communist societies have sometimes tried an idealistic "back to nature", living off the land type lifestyle and it generally ends in total disaster. "Progress" always wins in the end. Humans have used more energy over time and the biggest technological advancements in human history have come when we switched energy source or learnt to use a new one e.g. in the industrial revolution. Societies that haven't done that have generally been destroyed. Governments implementing lockdowns would be putting themselves at a disadvantage globally and wrecking the quality of life of their own citizens for a possible long-term common good, which is implausible on a mass scale.

Sorry, CBDC…. Fat fingers.

Do you think we'll have voluntary or mandatory climate lockdowns? Aka banned from travelling, no flights, cars ect, no red meat, encouraged to walk or cycle,15 minute cities?

No- except for the encouraged to walk/cycle which is what the 15min cities actually is. The conspiracy theory version of 15min cities is what most people have heard of when really it is just an urban planning principle used to reduce the amount of travel residents must do to access essentials goods and services.

Exactly @BillaBongGirl

I live in a village and there's a town about 2 miles away. The village has quite a lot of services, but many are in the town. Now what I need in the town is proper secure bike storage so I can cycle to the town, which I can do in 15 minutes, but walking takes much longer than that. Or a 'Boris Bikes' type scheme, so I don't need to use my own bike, I can pick up and drop off a communal one.

But we don't have that, so I end up driving a lot of the time.

No, I don't think anyone would abide by climate lockdowns. There would be far too many economic consequences.

I do think that houses in the UK need to be built for heat rather than for cold. Smaller windows with shutters, and thicker walls would be a start.

Holidays will change, with fewer people wanting to visit the European countries that are currently experiencing heat waves. Unfortunately, many of these countries are heavily reliant on tourism.

OP probably got the idea from the Oxford 15 minute city, where some people were calling them climate lockdowns, this was probably about six month ago.

Always the rich benefitting from these schemes. Sound familiar?

Let the small people live in 15 mins cities and never travel anywhere, not be able to fly on holiday, not be able to eat meat, not be able to wear the cheap fashion. But the rich will continue to do all this and more, while the Turkeys vote for Xmas and give up everything they have today.

It's quite hilarious.
"we have no local bank, post office and no proper shop without having to drive somewhere😭 community is dying what about the vulnerable. The food desserts!"
"ok we can look into planning rules where things will be within 15 min walking distance"
"😱you are truing to lock us down an control us"

People are fucking idiots. I grew up where we had all amenities needed within about that time frame and the quality of life is simply so much better since you don't have to spend too much time running around but can sort things out nearby imho

They can fuck right off. I will riot if they try this shit. And if covid was supposed to be a trial run then they’ve fucked it, because pre covid I might have complied, now, no fucking chance.

Now to be fair this was not exactly a rich person strategy in the way you probably mean. Things are a bit different in Greece and you will see a lot of vehicles that would no way pass an MOT to be on the road here. We are talking people running old bangers as a backup, and we are talking about people who have no choice but to drive in the city. The rich people in Athens live in the cool suburbs.

It’s a new form of gaslighting and trolling now to call anyone who disagrees with you and questions the established narrative as being a conspiracy theorist. When someone’s just throws that phrase around casually, you know that they are either not capable of thinking beyond what they read on Twitter or that you hit a nerve.

I took no notice of the Covid lockdowns and I would take no notice of anymore lockdowns.

The point remains. None of the climate rules apply to the rich. Not one single one.

It’s like we learned nothing from Covid. the government clearly didn’t believe that Covid was anything to worry about, which is why they went about their lives normally. Office affairs, days out, rowdy parties. But they duped the little people into believing they needed to be locked in their own homes.

This is what’s happening now.

No it's a new obsession for you to peddle because you think it makes you awake

Go back to reading the light

When is everyone going to realise that this is someone just pushing their latest obsession to wind everyone up

What we need are massive improvements in public transport - I live 8 miles from my job but it would take me 2 hours to get there via the bus network locally. And I'm suburban, not rural. Some kind of innovation in car sharing or, as has been done in Mexico City for years, certain car registrations banned on certain days (although the rich will just get multiple cars). More bus routes even at peak times might help.

Quotas per person on flying, perhaps? Businesses the same - with the tech it's now easier to meet with people without the need to fly to them.

I don't know. Something needs to be done. And we need to accept that things need to change.

No to climate lock downs, but I think there are going to be some changes over time.

France have or are in the process of banning internal flights if the journey could be done by train within a certain number of hours I think. Need good trains though.

Hahahahaha

That's what we're missing in the UK. Investment in the transport infrastructure.

Only yesterday, DP and I were talking about 'how come France and Spain (and likely many other countries) have managed to build, often some decades ago, functional high speed railway lines' that can be travelled on for affordable fares.

Yet in the UK, it's now been admitted to be 'unachievable' after spending billions making a start, tearing up the countryside and taking away people's homes or destroying their value in the process.

I live in the largest city in Western Europe without a mass transit system, close to several other cities that are crying out to be connected by a further high speed railway line and many towns that are clogged with traffic because there is no bypass and buses are so infrequent and unreliable, that people are forced to use their cars to get to work or appointments on time.

You can just tell some people are rubbing their hands in glee, hoping this will happen because they loved the COVID lockdowns so much.