Climate lockdowns

[Jbrown76]

As seen in the media recently, Europe is experiencing extreme heat, fires ect caused by climate change and global warming. It's terrifying. what sort of things can be done, will climate lockdowns help?

Do you think we'll have voluntary or mandatory climate lockdowns? Aka banned from travelling, no flights, cars ect, no red meat, encouraged to walk or cycle,15 minute cities?

When do you think it might or will happen? What will it look/be like? Will you voluntarily lockdown and reduce your carbon footprint? Or does the government habe to mandate climate lockdowns?

There are so many things we could be doing, like onshore wind & solar farms, tidal power as we are an island, more offshore wind, but this government won't do anything about it. They could pay subsidies to farmers to have wind turbines or solar fields on their land, maybe if Brexit hadn't happened, then this would have been a probability.

As has been explained ad nauseum, a fair chunk of the UKs real emissions are embedded in imports from countries like China. As for having nothing to feed guilty about....even if we were to exclude present emissions - and we shouldn't- it is probably fair to say that Britain past and present has been at the forefront of the exploitation of the world's resources, industriaisation, globalisation, etc. It has hardly been a minnow or an innocent in all of this. So yeah, there might be a smidgen of guilt warranted when you think about the people who are most likely to suffer the most in the coming decades which will of course, be the people who have done least to cause it as per fucking usual.

If the world does not want fossil fuels due to climate effects then why not have the world go nuclear ?

Do I want it? No
Do I think we will get to a point where we are not allowed the same freedoms we currently have, do to the climate crisis? Yes

We being the mass of citizens - not the high up politicians, CEOs, or A list celebs.

Yes, China. Lots of things can be improved there, but let's blame the Chinese for wanting the same sorts of home comforts that those of us in the West have taken for granted for years. Like fridges

And of course China still makes huge quantities of the West’s products. They have to be made somewhere, with resultant pollution. Per capita, Chinas emmisoms are still way below the US, Australia, Canada, S.Korea etc

People won’t follow lockdowns etc until political/economic leaders start moving towards “do as I do” rather than “do as I say”. People won’t take anything seriously while the biggest “climate advocates” like Gates, Biden etc all own vast energy guzzling properties and multiple private jets.

A barely literate post calling other people stupid? Oh, the irony!

People won't do that even if the leaders were perfect, some may follow in line but those that want to rebel will rebel as and when it suits them either way.

You do realise that 15 minute cities isn't a plan to restrict movement don't you? It's just anvidea to plan cities so amenities can easily be accessed without cars. You won't have to stay in your 15 minute zone.

I think it is too late for it to work even if they did, but I bet people thought January 2020 or thereabouts 'no way would the government do covid lock downs'

I didn't comply with the first one, so I'd hardly be likely to comply with another.

I'd pay someone who could conjure up some of that kind of hot weather. I'm fucking sick of cold and rain.

My point was that it formula milk did not exist and babies had to survive on breast milk alone, there would be a lower population.
I’m not sure any woman would or even could breast feed 7 children to survive childhood. Anyhow, breast feeding (generally) inhibits conception so you would not have many children born within 2-3 years of one other.

banned from travelling, no flights, cars ect, no red meat, encouraged to walk or cycle,15 minute cities

Was veggie for years for climate reasons, but have recently had to reintroduce meat and cut out nuts and seeds, nightshades and legumes (autoimmune reasons) so if I also had to cut out meat again I would be left with fruit and salad. So no, I would be reluctant to do that. Local meat is not bad for the planet.

The rest I’d be ok with, but that’s because we live in an area with every amenity close by (including amazing countryside, covid lockdown memories).

Is this 15 minutes cities conspiracy again? Sounds like it

There was never a time when it was a case of breastmilk or nothing suitable. Most formula is just modified cows milk. You can find recipes for modifying non-human milk to make it suitable for infants from centuries ago. Plus references to all sorts of other things to feed babies instead of milk (eg thin gruels) Also goat/sheep milk is more digestible (even if not modified)

Mmm even though we find adults drinking our own species breastmilk disgusting, we love to drink breastmilk from another species. It’s grim when you think about it.

My point was that it formula milk did not exist and babies had to survive on breast milk alone, there would be a lower population.
I’m not sure any woman would or even could breast feed 7 children to survive childhood. Anyhow, breast feeding (generally) inhibits conception so you would not have many children born within 2-3 years of one other.

This was my Gran's life.

She had nine children, all are about 1.5 - 2 years between them, except the youngest two who are about 4 years younger than the rest. She sadly lost two during birth but the others all grew to strapping sizes (6 boys, 1 girl). She breastfed them all.

She may well be the exception - she used to joke my grandad had only to hang his trousers on the end of the bed and she was pregnant

Yes when they did this in Athens apparently a common strategy was to buy a second car so you could alternate car and drive in the city every day…

Lockdowns only worked because they managed to scare people enough over Covid.

I doubt it’ll happen again without a greater threat. Actually we were told to stay home for a very windy day which was reminiscent of it but it won’t happen for just abstract climate change reasons.

I think they’ll be increased taxes on flying, driving etc to drive useage down. I rarely drive, mostly veggie, so would be quite happy to make other sacrifices

I was all for the Covid lockdowns because that felt like an immediate threat, thousands were dying every day and we didn't know how we could get out of the situation.

Climate lockdowns sound like a particularly stupid idea. There's no immediate danger to us. If we want to combat climate change we need to make fundamental changes: reduce global population drastically, ban air travel, nobody under 40 can drive, ban movement of people between countries, ban recreational travel, ban anything Chinese. We probably need a global war where progressive nations invade and conquer China to force them into line because I don't think we will be able to persuade them to reduce emmissions.

I'm not anti-lockdown, in fact I'd like to see a three month lockdown every year for no other reason than it's nice not to have to go out. I'd settle for an extreme one month lockdown each year where it's actually illegal to go outside under almost any circumstances - including on your own property, so flat-dwellers aren't discriminated against so much.

But a climate lockdown? That's madness.

A hard no to climate lockdowns. I'm not sure what they'd actually achieve anyway.

I would be supportive of a carbon allowance, but only if we could ensure it would be universally applied, with no ways out for the rich and powerful. Even typing that I can see how naive it is though.

What id really like to see is a concerted effort to up non fossil fuel energy. Renewables, nuclear. And adjusting society to better cope with a more environmentally friendly life style. Better public transport, cycling infrastructure, local farming, energy efficient homes. There seems fuck all interest in that from government though.

Where has this idea come from? I've not heard anyone with any credibility suggest the idea of a climate lockdown. Feels like totally scaremongering to me...

Dear god can the OP sound like they're getting any MORE moist at the idea of locking people down again?

We're never going to get the genie back in the bottle for the salivating lockdown fanatics now - it's going to be touted as the solution to everything because they LOVED having that licence to judge and be a twat to people.

I'll WFH sure - I'll cut down on the hundreds of miles I do a week... hope you don't want any community healthcare though mate because 99% of the miles I do in my car are work-related ones to see patients. Patients who can't access and engage via fucking video calls which were touted as the universal solution to everything - and who need to be seen face to face as well.