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Climate lockdowns

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Jbrown76 · 31/07/2023 20:38

As seen in the media recently, Europe is experiencing extreme heat, fires ect caused by climate change and global warming. It's terrifying. what sort of things can be done, will climate lockdowns help?

Do you think we'll have voluntary or mandatory climate lockdowns? Aka banned from travelling, no flights, cars ect, no red meat, encouraged to walk or cycle,15 minute cities?

When do you think it might or will happen? What will it look/be like? Will you voluntarily lockdown and reduce your carbon footprint? Or does the government habe to mandate climate lockdowns?

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newwings · 31/07/2023 20:50

Stop all the fast fashion first.

parietal · 31/07/2023 20:50

Lockdown for covid only had a v minor effect on emissions. Big things like factories and power plants are a much bigger problem.

morelippy · 31/07/2023 20:50

Possibly the most extreme loads of bollocks I've ever seen on here.

It's hot in Europe is hardly unusual. Heatwaves happen. Do try and keep things in proportion. It's not terrifying.

Proofinthepudding · 31/07/2023 20:51

Actually the snuggly, cosy, hot chocolate brigade would be ecstatic. They would love to be locked down constantly.

GettingStuffed · 31/07/2023 20:51

Once again someone conflates weather alwith climate. Totally different things

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 31/07/2023 20:52

We might need to lock down to cope with the effects of climate change but not to prevent it.

15 minute cities have nothing whatsoever to do with lockdowns either, it’s simply ensuring essential services are available within 15 minutes of any location.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 31/07/2023 20:53

parietal · 31/07/2023 20:50

Lockdown for covid only had a v minor effect on emissions. Big things like factories and power plants are a much bigger problem.

Covid had a visible effect on GHG emissions - they did actually slow down. But came right back again afterwards.

Vegetus · 31/07/2023 20:53

What is it with this place and doom sayers.

Allmyghosts · 31/07/2023 20:54

Come the fuck on now. You might as well lie down and die, stamp on my head big brother, harder harder.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 31/07/2023 20:55

HermioneWeasley · 31/07/2023 20:45

Absolutely fucking not. No, no, no. The Uk produces something like 2% of the world’s carbon emissions - there is literally nothing we or our government can do to make a difference

Yeah there is. Don’t buy anything made by the countries responsible for the other 98% ?

JamSandle · 31/07/2023 20:57

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 31/07/2023 20:55

Yeah there is. Don’t buy anything made by the countries responsible for the other 98% ?

It's hard not to as even if you consciously choose not to buy Made in China for example, something like 20% can be made in the UK for it to be branded Made in the UK even if the other 80% was made in China and shipped over.

People can buy second hand or make there own stuff though.

ForeverWinter · 31/07/2023 21:00

Banned from travelling- People travel for various reasons, for business, for leisure, to see family. Should people never see their families again because they're a flight away?

No cars- Well there needs to be a reasonable alternative in place? I got a new job recently and today my commute which should be 1 easy just over an hour train ride turned into 2 hours 2 trains on the way to work and 3 hours, 2 trains on the way back due to strikes/delays/signalling errors. I'm seriously contemplating driving the 60 miles tomorrow.

Walk/Cycle/15 minute cities- That's all well and good if you don't live rurally. I wouldn't even consider us rural to be honest, we're no more than a 10 minute drive from the nearest city but it's 3 miles. I know some people out there have it far worse and are 30 minutes or more to their nearest town/city.

I don't think climate lockdowns would help and honestly the average person can't make the huge amount of difference. It's the big corporations that need to get on board, it may already be too late

Chickychoccyegg · 31/07/2023 21:02

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Gregging · 31/07/2023 21:06

I need to stop reading these threads as the climate change denying is bad for my blood pressure. People saying they can’t or won’t change behaviour actually doesn’t annoy me as I understand why.

To answer your question OP I don’t think it will get to that for the simple fact if it’s going in that direction things will already have become so expensive through heavy taxation say, that hardly anyone will be doing those things and you’d hope the economy would have evolved accordingly. Otherwise it’s lockdown 5.0 (or whatever number we’re on) and essential workers won’t tolerate taking the hit again so remote office workers can stay at home.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 31/07/2023 21:12

Whilst I do feel desperately sorry for everyone caught up in the fires, there is a certain unspoken irony of the airplanes taking people on those holidays.

The whole thing is utterly alarming and distressing. But the planes do not help.

FOJN · 31/07/2023 21:13

Vegetus · 31/07/2023 20:53

What is it with this place and doom sayers.

If you're doing anything but panicking that the end of the world is nigh you're a climate change denier and that's a very bad thing to be.

OP there are loads of lectures on YouTube from credible people with a range of views and solutions, start there with informing yourself before you worry yourself to death. It's a complicated subject but I do not believe the problems we face are insurmountable.

As for climate lockdowns, it's a no from me.

PeloMom · 31/07/2023 21:17

Unfortunately it’s quite possible. I live on the west coast of Canada and we’ve had lots of smoke/ fires due to hot weather on the past 3-4 yrs. The air isn’t breathable so we voluntarily stay in (it’s inhumanely hot and the air quality is so bad that after 10 mins outside your voice changed, coughing etc). The longest we stayed in due to that was 7-8 days in 2021.

FirstTimeNameChanger · 31/07/2023 21:18

I agree that it won't be to prevent climate change, but as a result of climate change. It may not happen in our lifetime but for our kids and grandkids, it is entirely plausible that so much of life as we know it will have changed, that we (they) may effectively be living in some sort of lockdown, at least for periods of time.
Lockdown to cope with flooding?
Lockdown to cope with extreme heat?
Lockdown to cope with threats to our water supply from other nations?

Am I the only one who thinks these could plausibly happen?

topnoddy · 31/07/2023 21:19

It all boils down to one thing
Over population .
Too many people = too much crap produced to support them

FirstTimeNameChanger · 31/07/2023 21:19

That's what I mean @PeloMom . For a lot of the world, they are in lockdown for some time due to climate change. Why wouldn't it happen in the UK?

AgentProvocateur · 31/07/2023 21:20

FFS, educate yourself about a what a 15-minute city is before spouting your alarmist, conspiracy theorist shite.

DirtyBlonde · 31/07/2023 21:21

HermioneWeasley · 31/07/2023 20:45

Absolutely fucking not. No, no, no. The Uk produces something like 2% of the world’s carbon emissions - there is literally nothing we or our government can do to make a difference

We all go to hell in a handbasket if we all wait for someone else to do something.

If everyone - large or small - reduced emissions by 25%, then that would make a huge difference. Even if not everyone quite got there.

Diddykong · 31/07/2023 21:21

I think it would have more impact not to buy anything that was made in china for a month, but try that and see how far you get. My guess is not very far once you need...anything.

StillPerplexed · 31/07/2023 21:21

Wsmi · 31/07/2023 20:47

You’d be surprised. Remember all those begging to be locked down over an illness that would morning harm a vast majority of healthy adults. They couldn’t get enough of it. Never underestimate the power of stupid.

A small minority of excessively neurotic and conscientious people wanted perma-lockdown, often because they didn't want vulnerable people to die. Some of these same people might still want more lock down for climate reasons but its a minority position.

SmedsAndSmoos · 31/07/2023 21:24

This is true.
Every time I put another plastic wrapper in the bin I feel my soul slipping slightly.
How can the world have changed so drastically in such a short period of time?
Realistically, the advent of formula milk was the beginning of the end.