Climate lockdowns

[Jbrown76]

As seen in the media recently, Europe is experiencing extreme heat, fires ect caused by climate change and global warming. It's terrifying. what sort of things can be done, will climate lockdowns help?

Do you think we'll have voluntary or mandatory climate lockdowns? Aka banned from travelling, no flights, cars ect, no red meat, encouraged to walk or cycle,15 minute cities?

When do you think it might or will happen? What will it look/be like? Will you voluntarily lockdown and reduce your carbon footprint? Or does the government habe to mandate climate lockdowns?

It's called Road Space Rationing, and has been done several times in Paris and Rome, and various cities in South America

Road space rationing - Wikipedia

No, I really can't see a future where that would happen

I'd be more than happy to WFH every day but the government and companies are desperate to get people back into the office as it's bad for the economy. There's no way they'll allow people to wfh permanently as a climate lockdown where people stop using cars for commuting. It's bad for business

Yes, why live🙄

Lockdown hypotheticals aside -

The UK has reduced its carbon output now, after hundreds of years of consuming products created in the UK through fossil fuel-powered manufacturing. That same manufacturing is now done for British companies in places like China instead, and we are still consuming such products, more than ever.

Are we absolved of all responsibility for those emissions because the factories are located elsewhere now?

I can totally see a future scenario where we are either prohibited from, or choose not to, leave our homes more than we have to because of the climate crisis. I hope hope hope it doesn't happen, but c'mon. Look what's happening.

Where I'm from people are 'strongly advised' not to do strenuous activity in the day time in this heat wave. That could easily become 'the health system is overwhelmed by heat related illnesses, please stay home' and could also become 'heat related stay at home orders'

It is very silly to pretend that will never happen, just because you don't want it to happen. No one wants it. It could still happen

The future isn't about changing our lifestyle, it's about using greener technology where possible to make it sustainable.
It's not about not flying anymore. It's about making engines that are greener. It's about investing in hydrogen engines instead of suporting oil in the Middle East and stopping new technology from coming out.
If people want to help maybe they can support people doing research.
People need to make better choices: I bought "vanilla oil" the other day, turns out it has propylene glycol... I won't even tell you what that's for.

Think this is known as sh*t stirring
What's your agenda OP?

Changes to weather patterns will reduce global food supply. Famine will follow then war.

I'm old so won't be around anyway so you can jog on with it if you want

@Jbrown76

As seen in the media recently, Europe is experiencing extreme heat...

Ah yes, "as seen in the media"...

For info a weather report from our part of Europe, the western end, not maritime, latitude roughly 41 degrees north.

So far this summer has been in keeping with the average seen over the last 10-20 years (so the odd day at thirty plus briefly but generally high twenties) and certainly much cooler than last summer, and a bit of a crap forecast for the next week or two.

@drinkuptheezider

Pre-pandemic I might have agreed your colleague was a bit of a nut, but honestly, even the most cursory glance at what allegedly passes for news these days is like playing batshit bingo.

We’re close to a full house and if we get zombies at any point I might book myself in for a spa day with a natty strappy jacket in a rubber room.

Things like Covid and climate change should of course be taken seriously but WTAF has happened to logic, common sense and a sense of proportion? Oh yes, silly me, those things aren’t profitable. And a population struggling to meet basic living costs might just accept anything if there’s a promise of jam tomorrow, a chance at overt virtue signaling and a bit of peace and quiet….

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, the end of the world as we know it might well be by collective nervous breakdown.

Overt authoritarian measures like lockdowns plus the way we are all reliant on technology is not good for us…. with the advent of AI and the speed of progress, and the absolute encouragement to live a high proportion of one’s life virtually, right down to having lovely bots as friends, it will be a case of adapt to survive.

The generation brought up on technology from the get go might stand a reasonable chance, but I’m 54, I’ve got just about as much of a handle on it all as I think I can cope with and quite a few of my contemporaries are also balking at the speed of change, even those more tech savvy than I.

Sorry that’s a bit of a tangent, but while I’m trying to keep calm and carry on, every so often I feel a little frisson of terror about the future….. because everything is a bit nuts.

Then I have a large vodka, snuggle my kitten and think ah well, only another 15 / 20 years perhaps….. if I can muddle through…..

This is exactly the problem, yes we do produce minimal carbon emissions, but we contribute to the carbon emissions from other countries (particularly china) through over consumerism. If we stop buying from China completely and only by UK made products, then our carbon emissions would rise.

Oh, and no! We won't have lockdowns for this reason, no ody can afford it. Soon enough huge corporations will have to be responsible for their carbon footprint.

Won’t happen, only people who want no air travel, no cars, etc are the people who aren’t in a position to have those things. Sour grapes
while the 1% continues to enjoy these things, I’ll do my best to enjoy what I can too

Do you have kids, and if so, how might they view this attitude in 30 years time?

Boredom and/or bitterness.

Yeah I’ve got kids, same as most of the people who claim to care about the planet.

Do you want to answer the second part of the question as well?

We're all in lockdown anyway - it's called stuck in the house during the summer holidays because it's pissing with rain as per usual. Same as most years. Nothing different. I wore a jumper today.

Oh FFS.

No, is the answer.

Though @HairyMaclaryfromDD makes a very good point.

Even at only 1% we are still the 17th largest emitter and 12th largest consumer of greenhous gas emissions out of 197 or so countries. Despite the tories best efforts we're also still one of the top 10 economies in the world and, due to our role in the industrial revolution, have more responsibility to taking action than just dealing with our emissions output .

The notion of the UK taking a back seat now is truly embarrassing. It's so sad to see a country, once at the forefront of innovation and invention, reduced to behaving like whinging, entiled, cowards, too afraid to face the reality of climate change.

It's equally embarrassing to watch those who celebrate Britain's historical leadership and aspire to "build a better Britain" now retreat to the background, hoping the climate crisis will disappear on its own.

Our current government, and many of the general public, are the embodiment of a Rupert these days, all talk in the trenches but turning tail and fleeing when asked to go over the top.

Climate change doesn't give a flying fuck if you think it's real or not, it will continye causing extreme weather events , disrupting supply chains, food systems and entire countries, regardless.

I'd argue it's far better, environmentally, socially, and economically, to be at the forefront of a green revolution, developing solutions instead of erecting barriers to change.

As for "climate lockdowns" this is just the latest bit of hysteria dredged up from the cowards who reside in the fossil fuel industries back passage. They tried to cause outrage by whipping up a storm over the 15-minute city planning concept but it didn't quite catch, so they've rebounded it as a "climate lockdown" and have successfully gotten the feeble minded and gullible frothing again.

I’m scratching my head wondering how you came to the conclusion of climate lockdowns.
either your on the windup or just very dramatic.
yes climate change is a worry and yes I do think people should be encouraged to walk or cycle more . I work with people that could walk to work less than 20 minutes walk but drive to work because they are lazy or just don’t have the time who knows but come on climate lockdowns I’ve heard it all now .