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Dovetail40 · 2023-07-26T21:45:05+00:00

This is disturbing to read. I hope a proper investigation is carried and the missing time videos are found so she knows exactly what happened to her. [[https://news.sky.com/story/stripped-and-left-topless-in-a-cell-i-was-drugged-and-sexually-assaulted-by-greater-manchester-police-12924141 Sky news Greater Manchester Police]]

SaltyGod · 27/07/2023 10:25

I believe her

IMustDoMoreExercise · 27/07/2023 10:26

BreehyHinnyBrinnyHoohyHah · 27/07/2023 07:40

We keep being told it's just one bad apple in the police but it seems the entire orchard has gone bad.

The only person who I know from school who joined the police was a bully and all round horrible individual so it doesn't surprise me.

The problem is that none of us would want to be a police officer.

Would you want to be one? If not, why not?

Why do you expect other decent people to want to do it when you will not?

That is why the bullies become police officers, because the decent people won't do it.

Maverickess · 27/07/2023 10:28

hellywelly3 · 27/07/2023 00:40

I used to be a big supporter of the police and thought people who had a problem with them are probably trouble makers. But more and more of these things are happening (or coming out). I really don’t feel like I can 100% trust the police anymore.

I feel the same, though what's worrying is that this may have always been the case but because people like us trusted them implicitly (like you're supposed to be able to) it was easier to hide and get away with.

AquamarineGlass · 27/07/2023 10:28

KarmaStar · 26/07/2023 23:07

Let's get the facts first.
It's been sensationalized.
The police do a very difficult job and are always under attack.
But you get scared,worried who do you call?the very people who risk their lives every day for little or no thanks.
Don't judge or comment until you have all the information required to start accusing the police.

Did you even read the story where the Head of the GMP says he thinks she was raped by an officer???

BitOutOfPractice · 27/07/2023 10:29

The missing footage could be the section which is under investigation. If it is under investigation, they will not release that part to her or her defence team prior to any trial etc.

Then why haven't GMP said that? They have offered no explanation for the missing footage.

That was a really tough thing to watch and read. I believe you Zayna.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 27/07/2023 10:29

Maverickess · 27/07/2023 10:28

I feel the same, though what's worrying is that this may have always been the case but because people like us trusted them implicitly (like you're supposed to be able to) it was easier to hide and get away with.

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The problem is that none of us would want to be a police officer.

Would you want to be one? If not, why not?

Why do you expect other decent people to want to do it when you will not?

That is why the bullies become police officers, because the decent people won't do it.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 27/07/2023 10:30

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 26/07/2023 22:53

The police are a disgrace. Some of us have known this for a long time. Now they aren't even hiding it from the "mainstream" population.

The problem is that none of us would want to be a police officer.

Would you want to be one? If not, why not?

Why do you expect other decent people to want to do it when you will not?

That is why the bullies become police officers, because the decent people won't do it.

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Dovetail40 · 27/07/2023 10:32

onefinemess · 27/07/2023 10:20

I thought it was female officers who put her in the cell and removed her clothing?

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Nope she mentions male officers in the interview below. See link

'My story in my words with evidence reviewed by others. Please watch the link below from 34.8 mins to 55.3 mins.'

She mentions male officersHer words

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https://onevsp.com/watch/XtvCCyxbLr1OetQ

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Buell · 27/07/2023 10:34

bernieaa · 27/07/2023 10:17

I find it quite far fetched that she was raped in a police cell with lots of cameras and staff around; including the police bringing in drugs. However unless the police show the tales than what else can we believe.

Cocaine high wears of fairly quickly, 40 minutes not 40 hours. I think it's passable she was taking other drugs before the police arrived.

There is no way she should have been left in the cell topless and with shorts and a belt. She was clearly under the influence of something.

Maybe when they returned to the station she was held in a queue before being admitted to the custody suit, I don't know.

It's all just so bizarre and I side with the lady.

She was 'missing' for over an hour in the police van between being taken from her house and arriving at the station which CCTV showed an officer getting inside the van with her

Eightypercent · 27/07/2023 10:35

KarmaStar · 26/07/2023 23:07

Let's get the facts first.
It's been sensationalized.
The police do a very difficult job and are always under attack.
But you get scared,worried who do you call?the very people who risk their lives every day for little or no thanks.
Don't judge or comment until you have all the information required to start accusing the police.

Having been illegally detained by Police, and worse, I can assure you, you are very mistaken. I'm sure the majority are great, but there are enough bad apples and significant pockets of rot, to discredit the institution as a whole.

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Dovetail40 · 27/07/2023 10:37

Dovetail40 · 27/07/2023 10:32

Nope she mentions male officers in the interview below. See link

'My story in my words with evidence reviewed by others. Please watch the link below from 34.8 mins to 55.3 mins.'

She mentions male officersHer words

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Please watch

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ruffler45 · 27/07/2023 10:38

I thought the whole point of all the CCTV was to avoid situations like this. CCTV that goes missing is worrying and involves conspiracy and corruption.

GMP, Andy B and the government need to get to the bottom of this and weed out the bad guys else the police will never have any respect.

Reducing police numbers to save costs a few years was never and never will be a good idea.

BitOutOfPractice · 27/07/2023 10:39

@Dovetail40 I've asked for a TW to be added to this thread and I think you should warn people about the content of links before you ask people to watch, as a kindness.

SorryAuntLydia · 27/07/2023 10:45

I believe her 😞

Catspyjamas17 · 27/07/2023 10:45

If she had taken a drugs overdose and was unresponsive, why did the police not call an ambulance? Surely she should have been in hospital not left alone face down in a cell?

Maverickess · 27/07/2023 10:46

IMustDoMoreExercise · 27/07/2023 10:29

The problem is that none of us would want to be a police officer.

Would you want to be one? If not, why not?

Why do you expect other decent people to want to do it when you will not?

That is why the bullies become police officers, because the decent people won't do it.

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The problem is that none of us would want to be a police officer.
Wouldn't we? How do you know? I applied to the police and was turned down, it was very much a job I wanted to do because of the family history I have.

Would you want to be one? If not, why not?
I did, but I don't have the skills to do the job well enough according to the screening process.

Why do you expect other decent people to want to do it when you will not?
N/A see above.

That is why the bullies become police officers, because the decent people won't do it.
And that's bollocks because not every officer is corrupt or a bully. The screening process weeded me out rightly because I wouldn't have been able to meet the standards. That needs to be applied to bullies as well, the fact it isn't leads to questions about the leadership and management and the attitude from the top.
It's not acceptable to say that it's a shit job so we have to take what we can get and put up with it. We make it a better job, we celebrate those who do it right, we make it unacceptable to behave in this way, we pay them properly, we treat them properly and we attract the right person to do it in the first place.
But the attitude is rife among many public funded services, the NHS, social care and that's because ultimately it costs money and requires funding to do it right and no one wants to part with that money.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 27/07/2023 10:56

Maverickess · 27/07/2023 10:46

The problem is that none of us would want to be a police officer.
Wouldn't we? How do you know? I applied to the police and was turned down, it was very much a job I wanted to do because of the family history I have.

Would you want to be one? If not, why not?
I did, but I don't have the skills to do the job well enough according to the screening process.

Why do you expect other decent people to want to do it when you will not?
N/A see above.

That is why the bullies become police officers, because the decent people won't do it.
And that's bollocks because not every officer is corrupt or a bully. The screening process weeded me out rightly because I wouldn't have been able to meet the standards. That needs to be applied to bullies as well, the fact it isn't leads to questions about the leadership and management and the attitude from the top.
It's not acceptable to say that it's a shit job so we have to take what we can get and put up with it. We make it a better job, we celebrate those who do it right, we make it unacceptable to behave in this way, we pay them properly, we treat them properly and we attract the right person to do it in the first place.
But the attitude is rife among many public funded services, the NHS, social care and that's because ultimately it costs money and requires funding to do it right and no one wants to part with that money.

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Good for you and you are the exception that proves the rule.

The vast majority of people on the is thread would not want to be a police officer.

Also, it will always be a shit job until society changes and people stop spitting, stabbing and swearing at officers. No amount of money is going to stop that.

gingerguineapig · 27/07/2023 10:57

It is shocking - this, the case of the black woman arrested for alleged fare evasion in London (though she wasn't) and the guy banged up for nearly 20 years for a rape he didn't commit. And of course cases like the Sarah Everard case.

We need fundamental reform - of the police, the criminal justice system and also what happens if you are in prison. There have been too many stories of people who were innocent who spent even more time in jail for daring to say they are innocent. These appeals need to happen much more quickly and evidence cannot be covered up (see also Sally Clarke case from years ago - the lawyers involved in that should have been struck off in my view). Ditto those involved in the Horizon case.

This sort of thing simply should not happen - where are the checks and balances?

gingerguineapig · 27/07/2023 10:58

BitOutOfPractice · 27/07/2023 10:39

@Dovetail40 I've asked for a TW to be added to this thread and I think you should warn people about the content of links before you ask people to watch, as a kindness.

Surely the title is enough warning and will trigger in itself?

BitOutOfPractice · 27/07/2023 11:01

gingerguineapig · 27/07/2023 10:58

Surely the title is enough warning and will trigger in itself?

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Except it goes on to discuss other disturbing incidents including rape. I think it would be appropriate.

Don't want to derail what I think is a really important thread.

AnSolas · 27/07/2023 11:02

Ponkyandthebrain · 27/07/2023 01:27

It would be lovely to do a personality test but we can’t!

I do think there is some element of deliberate sensationalism here about strip searching. The first two incidents are not strip searches. It’s horrible to have to remove clothes for welfare reasons for the person in custody and the female officers who have to do it. I think there’s maybe a debate to be had there about how best to keep people safe and preserve dignity but equally it’s not always seen what lengths people will sometimes go to using something like clothes to do themselves harm. Most custody suits have mental health practioners based in them now which is helpful. Camera cells assist but there isn’t a guarantee of them being constantly watched if for example an urgent incident happens.

The last one is a search of some kind but technically under PACE removing shoes is a strip search. It just means outer clothing not necessarily intimate areas which is a different procedure. It’s difficult to assess what’s happened there based on the article.

I don’t think there’s evidence of an organisational cover up as they tried to refer the complaint to the IOPC who sent it back and they have now sent it the IOPC again since this article. I think at the very least she’s a potential sexual assault victim suffering a mental health episode and shouldn’t have been in custody. Albeit they will get to the bottom of why that has happened and what should have been done differently. I hope there’s nothing more sinister but the investigation will bear that out. It’s unlikely for something sexual to be done to anyone
in custody in my experience as it’s a such busy noisy environment where you’re never alone with a prisoner let alone male to female. But I hope I am not wrong. Evidently she had a medical and all police officers DNA is on file. There would be no excuse for male DNA whatsoever rin an intimate area as any removal of clothes is same sex.

Ponkyandthebrain

I do think there is some element of deliberate sensationalism here about strip searching.

Or professional bias on your behalf? Missing the big picture

It’s horrible to have to remove clothes for welfare reasons for the person in custody

The aim of an outcome may differ (the reason why) but if you are giving training what in the physical process changes between you getting instructions to enter the cell and when you leave the cell?

The decision is strip and search

To remove the clothing is stripping.
The reason for the removal is searching the individual item of clothing to see if it could cause harm or in non-welfare search check if is being uses to hide evidence.

The powers that be have already decided you are not qualifed to determine if any item could cause harm. So you know you are stripping to search for and remove all items.

and the female officers who have to do it.

That may be your employers Policy but a number of UK police force have made public statements about letting members of the opposite sex carry out these kind of searches.

Drenchend · 27/07/2023 11:11

Yes op I know...

From a quick reading it's the missing car part that stands out to me as the most alarming.

Maverickess · 27/07/2023 11:17

IMustDoMoreExercise · 27/07/2023 10:56

Good for you and you are the exception that proves the rule.

The vast majority of people on the is thread would not want to be a police officer.

Also, it will always be a shit job until society changes and people stop spitting, stabbing and swearing at officers. No amount of money is going to stop that.

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Being sworn at, spat at and stabbed are not exclusive to police officers, I haven't ever been stabbed (though threatened) but I've been physically assaulted and sworn and spat at both in roles within social care and hospitality, in fact I got sworn at yesterday and called some unsavoury names in my hospitality job. And I can't arrest nor detain anyone for doing those things, I don't have body cams and body armour, training nor methods of defending myself from it.

We need to take a hard line with people who behave like this, including from and towards police officers to make it unacceptable. But because of lack of resources and underfunding, it doesn't happen, there's no concequences so it continues.

user1471556818 · 27/07/2023 11:24

Sadly I wasn't surprised when I read the story fully before anyone comments.
I know there a good police out there and it must be soul destroying for those officers .
I do believe her and this must be investigated fully

IMustDoMoreExercise · 27/07/2023 11:27

Maverickess · 27/07/2023 11:17

Being sworn at, spat at and stabbed are not exclusive to police officers, I haven't ever been stabbed (though threatened) but I've been physically assaulted and sworn and spat at both in roles within social care and hospitality, in fact I got sworn at yesterday and called some unsavoury names in my hospitality job. And I can't arrest nor detain anyone for doing those things, I don't have body cams and body armour, training nor methods of defending myself from it.

We need to take a hard line with people who behave like this, including from and towards police officers to make it unacceptable. But because of lack of resources and underfunding, it doesn't happen, there's no concequences so it continues.

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No, it is not exclusive to police officers. All public facing roles are the same which is why a lot of people (me included) would not consider them.

Society needs to change but it won't because we have too many low lives who are breeding to produce more and more low lives which we are unable to stop.