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Dovetail40 · 27/07/2023 09:49

Drenchend · 27/07/2023 09:47

This is so sore worrying apparently she was put in police car but didn't emerge or have footage from ages later. Really worrying.
Where is that footage..

The whole case is about missing footage and log records which dont time match footage provided.

Lots of cover up.

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DinnaeFashYersel · 27/07/2023 09:51

I read this the other day and am appalled by it.

The police apology-non-apology shows they don't accept they have done anything wrong.

I fear that the general lack of outrage is because the woman is not white

DinnaeFashYersel · 27/07/2023 09:52

Also shocked that 10% are voting unreasonable. What kind of sick perverts are they?

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Felix125 · 27/07/2023 09:55

The missing footage could be the section which is under investigation. If it is under investigation, they will not release that part to her or her defence team prior to any trial etc.

The 40 hours in custody - does this include the time she has been at the hospital? We can only hold people for 24 hours without extensions being applied for. The custody clock will stop if she has been at hospital whilst she is in custody.

Was she charged with anything or released on bail. I note that that an officer's glasses were knocked off at some stage?

It depends on what the risks are when she was brought into custody as to why she was strip searched. Has she made a threat of suicide or is there a marker on PNC or intelligence to suggest this. Is there a suggestion she has drugs concealed on her - I think cocaine was possibly mentioned in the link.

We have had in the past people who have died in police cells before by stuffing items such as toilet paper, clothing, socks, underwear down their throat - so if there is a risk there, that's why they have been removed.

She may remain handcuffed if there is a possibility she will become violent again when she awakes

We do it differently - we have cell watches for situations like this. So two officers will have to wait with her at the cell so she is under constant observations. CCTV on & BWV on. The downside to this is that it often makes the detained person more agitated as they are constantly watched, it drains all the police resources so we have no units free for burglaries, domestic etc. The local communities go mad when we are not attending jobs as we are all on cell watches.

Manchester may do it differently.

onefinemess · 27/07/2023 09:59

EscapeRoomToTheSun · 26/07/2023 23:12

The facts are in the article. Who the fk are you to tell her she was not assaulted when you know nothing about the case.

Where is the missing footage?

The police are institutionally misogynist. This horrifies me but does not surprise me in the slightest.

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It was female staff who did it. Are women misogynistic now?

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Dovetail40 · 27/07/2023 10:00

Felix125 · 27/07/2023 09:55

The missing footage could be the section which is under investigation. If it is under investigation, they will not release that part to her or her defence team prior to any trial etc.

The 40 hours in custody - does this include the time she has been at the hospital? We can only hold people for 24 hours without extensions being applied for. The custody clock will stop if she has been at hospital whilst she is in custody.

Was she charged with anything or released on bail. I note that that an officer's glasses were knocked off at some stage?

It depends on what the risks are when she was brought into custody as to why she was strip searched. Has she made a threat of suicide or is there a marker on PNC or intelligence to suggest this. Is there a suggestion she has drugs concealed on her - I think cocaine was possibly mentioned in the link.

We have had in the past people who have died in police cells before by stuffing items such as toilet paper, clothing, socks, underwear down their throat - so if there is a risk there, that's why they have been removed.

She may remain handcuffed if there is a possibility she will become violent again when she awakes

We do it differently - we have cell watches for situations like this. So two officers will have to wait with her at the cell so she is under constant observations. CCTV on & BWV on. The downside to this is that it often makes the detained person more agitated as they are constantly watched, it drains all the police resources so we have no units free for burglaries, domestic etc. The local communities go mad when we are not attending jobs as we are all on cell watches.

Manchester may do it differently.

I still have zero confidence in the conduct of police officers and simply would not feel safe.
The culture stinks.

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Thoughtful2355 · 27/07/2023 10:02

I watched as a police officer put his hand up a crying drunk girls dress, she was crying as her friends had beat her up and left, she was a mess sitting on a bench and he was sat next to her with his hand up her skirt and she was trying to remove his hands but she was too drunk, my friend started screaming at him and he just lied and lied until some other officers came and took the girl.

Not sure what happened after that but i did feel disgusted that this young girl was being treated like that, she looked barely 18, might not have even been legal as she looked so Young!

Eupemiaroses · 27/07/2023 10:02

Felix125 · 27/07/2023 09:55

The missing footage could be the section which is under investigation. If it is under investigation, they will not release that part to her or her defence team prior to any trial etc.

The 40 hours in custody - does this include the time she has been at the hospital? We can only hold people for 24 hours without extensions being applied for. The custody clock will stop if she has been at hospital whilst she is in custody.

Was she charged with anything or released on bail. I note that that an officer's glasses were knocked off at some stage?

It depends on what the risks are when she was brought into custody as to why she was strip searched. Has she made a threat of suicide or is there a marker on PNC or intelligence to suggest this. Is there a suggestion she has drugs concealed on her - I think cocaine was possibly mentioned in the link.

We have had in the past people who have died in police cells before by stuffing items such as toilet paper, clothing, socks, underwear down their throat - so if there is a risk there, that's why they have been removed.

She may remain handcuffed if there is a possibility she will become violent again when she awakes

We do it differently - we have cell watches for situations like this. So two officers will have to wait with her at the cell so she is under constant observations. CCTV on & BWV on. The downside to this is that it often makes the detained person more agitated as they are constantly watched, it drains all the police resources so we have no units free for burglaries, domestic etc. The local communities go mad when we are not attending jobs as we are all on cell watches.

Manchester may do it differently.

I'm not in the police force so my understanding may not be quite there. Is there a reason why the police would remove a women's knickers in fear of her committing suicide and replace them with shorts and a belt?

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Dovetail40 · 27/07/2023 10:03

onefinemess · 27/07/2023 09:59

It was female staff who did it. Are women misogynistic now?

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Nope she said male officers.
The details of the male officer/ officers involved were wrong when requested by the victim.

They called it a 'clerical error'when they got questioned about it.

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Dovetail40 · 27/07/2023 10:04

Eupemiaroses · 27/07/2023 10:02

I'm not in the police force so my understanding may not be quite there. Is there a reason why the police would remove a women's knickers in fear of her committing suicide and replace them with shorts and a belt?

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A belt Ffs!

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Felix125 · 27/07/2023 10:06

Eupemiaroses
The suit will probably be a rip-proof type, similar to the belt. The problem with underwear - its a small garment which can easily go down someones throat.
A larger suit will not be easy to do this.

AnSolas · 27/07/2023 10:07

Soontobe60 · 27/07/2023 09:14

I’m assuming that the unseen footage (it’s not missing, the police have it) might not have been handed over because it’s evidence that’s being used in an investigation? If it IS handed over then released to the public, it would severely compromise any possibility of prosecuting anyone who assaulted the woman. At least I hoping that’s the case!

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You are suggesting that there was a criminal event and the police decided
a) not to inform the victim?
b) not to interview the victim?

At what stage do you think that the police should disclose that she may be called as a witness to a crime?

How would you deal with that as member of a jury?

The defence says "she said yes ...."

Felix125 · 27/07/2023 10:07

Dovetail40
It will be a belt without a metal buckle

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Dovetail40 · 27/07/2023 10:07

Felix125 · 27/07/2023 10:06

Eupemiaroses
The suit will probably be a rip-proof type, similar to the belt. The problem with underwear - its a small garment which can easily go down someones throat.
A larger suit will not be easy to do this.

Could they have not have given her a rip proof top too?
Rather than leave her topless?

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Dovetail40 · 27/07/2023 10:08

Felix125 · 27/07/2023 10:07

Dovetail40
It will be a belt without a metal buckle

What about a top then?

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Felix125 · 27/07/2023 10:08

Dovetail40
The suit should be like a boiler suit which covers her top & bottom

PrudenceDictates · 27/07/2023 10:10

I hope the full truth comes out and this woman finds peace to move on with her life. Regardless of happened during the missing footage, there's enough awful treatment of her that is definitely known about, and police should be held accountable.

Sexual violence and humiliation has long been used as a punishment against women, or to keep them in their place, and seems to be becoming more common in the UK now.
Remember the recent case of the woman handing out leaflets who was arrested and strip searched (for handing out leaflets!!) and the officers joking with their male colleagues about her pubic hair and saying she stank?

It only seems to be getting worse.

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Dovetail40 · 27/07/2023 10:10

Felix125 · 27/07/2023 10:08

Dovetail40
The suit should be like a boiler suit which covers her top & bottom

Should be....

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BigBlubberingBaby · 27/07/2023 10:16

onefinemess · 27/07/2023 09:59

It was female staff who did it. Are women misogynistic now?

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How bizarre. Of course women can be misogynistic.

bernieaa · 27/07/2023 10:17

I find it quite far fetched that she was raped in a police cell with lots of cameras and staff around; including the police bringing in drugs. However unless the police show the tales than what else can we believe.

Cocaine high wears of fairly quickly, 40 minutes not 40 hours. I think it's passable she was taking other drugs before the police arrived.

There is no way she should have been left in the cell topless and with shorts and a belt. She was clearly under the influence of something.

Maybe when they returned to the station she was held in a queue before being admitted to the custody suit, I don't know.

It's all just so bizarre and I side with the lady.

bernieaa · 27/07/2023 10:18

Felix125 · 27/07/2023 10:07

Dovetail40
It will be a belt without a metal buckle

Still able to put a noose

JimnJoyce · 27/07/2023 10:18

@Dovetail40 i was just about to ask the same question. Why wasn't she given a rip proof top to wear also?

Felix125 · 27/07/2023 10:19

bernieaa
Still able to put a noose

There is no where to tie it to in a police cell.

onefinemess · 27/07/2023 10:20

Dovetail40 · 27/07/2023 10:03

Nope she said male officers.
The details of the male officer/ officers involved were wrong when requested by the victim.

They called it a 'clerical error'when they got questioned about it.

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I thought it was female officers who put her in the cell and removed her clothing?