Woman stripped and left topless in a cell!

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This is disturbing to read. I hope a proper investigation is carried and the missing time videos are found so she knows exactly what happened to her.

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We know - because they say so themselves - that the police have a sexist, misogynist and racist culture.

We know because some are finally where they belong (behind bars) that there are rapists and murderers among their ranks.

We know - because a very senior rank has said so that there are many hundreds of serving officers who are (or should be, or have been) under investigation for their behaviour.

The police don't help themselves. If they had nothing to hide there would be 24/7 bodycam footage acmvailable.

Even if she was a victim of sexual assault before entering the cell, the fact that under those circumstances she was stripped and left topless for hours is enough to warrant the immediate dismissal of every single police officer who was involved in that process. They are clearly unable to do their job and basically stripped off a rape victim, bound her hands and left her for hours?

Well that’s one issue isn’t it. If she wasn’t sexually assaulted by an officer then she was prior to their arrival. Assuming that wasn’t disclosed to them…. Her presentation appears to still be that of someone who requires medical attention. Especially given she was taken to hospital on release. However again she would likely have been seen by a nurse in custody so what was their view?

she wouldn’t have been left cuffed in her cell. That’s so dangerous I can’t see anyone doing that I hope. Removing clothes for welfare reasons as I’ve said is pretty exceptional but is done when someone is considered to be a really extreme risk to themselves. It’s not for nice for anyone. It’s the decision of the custody officer based upon their risk assessment. I would expect someone in that situation to be seen by a medical professional quickly in custody.

Ultimately we won’t get any answers to these questions. It’s never put out into the public to protect her privacy, rightly. I hope she gets a satisfactory investigation from the IOPC.

It says right there in the article that the custody report says she saw a medical practitioner and the CCTV shows she didn't. It also says and shows her left cuffed and topless in the cell ....

It says she didn’t at the time it was recorded so the custody log is wrong which is a big issue and IOPC will be concerned about this. She’s been in custody a while though so I’d expect for her to have seen a nurse and I’d be shocked if she hasn’t. It also mentions her running her hands through her hair so cuffs have been removed. I suppose there’s a question of when though? There’s loads of things that won’t be answered to the public here though. Rightly really. It’s her business not ours. At the very least there’s some issues with practice here in the right way to deal with someone who is presenting in a mental health crisis even if it’s not clear to you immediately why. At the worst, well, I hope not.

I can't believe this isn't bigger news than it is tbh. All they need to do is provide the footage if they have nothing to hide.

Best case scenario imo (as a total layperson) is that the accuser wasn't sexually assaulted but something else inappropriate or not quite above board happened to cause them to withhold the CCTV. That's still a huge problem isn't it, the police covering up wrongdoings even if it was just something small.

However, unfortunately I suspect the worst.

she wouldn’t have been left cuffed in her cell. That’s so dangerous I can’t see anyone doing that I hope

Yeah because the police would never put a woman in danger would they? Have never acted in a criminal way towards women, no, that would never be done… 🙄

Hey I could be wrong! I said I’d be shocked. But I’ve been shocked before sadly

Xactlee. Especially the very vulnerable women who have no idea how to get help.

Why would you be shocked? Are you somehow unaware of the disgusting cases that have come to light in recent years or the reports on institutional misogyny? Are you still trying to fool yourself that it’s just a few bad apples for some reason?

She deserves to have all the footage. She was undressed by 4 female officers and redressed for safety reasons. She kept taking all her clothes off. The 'medical report' seems very vague. Why would medical staff say that likely date rape drug without testing (unless they were simply recording/reporting her assertions). How credible is the 'former' policeman. Does he have a grudge/bias? The whole reporting seems sensationalist and deliberately provocative for the purposes of creating a TV show. It also feels exploitative of the lady. If she hasn't been assaulted (who's to say that if she had injuries of a sexual nature, they hadn't been self inflicted due to her psychotic state or sustained prior to her detention). What do sexual injuries mean? Is it evidence of internal injury or scratches/bruising on external sexual body parts? There is a lot of vagueness/poor reporting here. The police need to provide all the footage. The reporters need to be more specific about the evidence that they have and interrogate it's voracity. At the moment this is poor reporting for a sensationalist TV show.

Are you joking? She was left topless and passed out on the floor..... and had shorts with a belt....

Release the footage Manchester police.

Something terrible has happened to this woman and you are hiding it. Protecting your corrupt officers who are suppose to be here to 'protect' us.

Change this culture NOW.

I’m assuming that the unseen footage (it’s not missing, the police have it) might not have been handed over because it’s evidence that’s being used in an investigation? If it IS handed over then released to the public, it would severely compromise any possibility of prosecuting anyone who assaulted the woman. At least I hoping that’s the case!

Yawn. I can’t imagine your response when you first heard about Sandra Bland

I was disturbed by reports by the victim of male officers smirking calling her name and waving when she was discharged.

There must be footage of this too.

The video shows she wasn’t cuffed when the officers left the cell. Her hands were behind her back then seconds later they were by her side.

No idea why you quoted me to say that?

I had to think about that. I’ve worked in VAWG and child protection for years and seen awful things from many professions and often parents. People who have sought out roles to be close to children to abuse them in the most awful ways. But I think if I don’t feel shocked and disgusted by it then have I lost empathy at that point?

Secondly I do feel more disgusted at police officers. Let’s be honest police men who abuse women. Some of us are working really hard trying to look after and protect women and get prosecutions in a difficult criminal justice system for women and children. These monsters let down everything we do, destroy trust and make women even less safe as they are scared to even contact the police.

I suppose I mean shocked but never really surprised if that makes sense?

Err its not difficult to assess because we have this woman's statement and missing video footage, which would nullify her allegations (if untrue) but only the crucial footage is missing.......

She had taken Cocaine, not uncommon.

Modern cctv recording is done to a solid state device, its not feasible for sections of video to go missing, unless tampered with & time logs don't match up with the video times either.

Attractive woman incapacitated? and a Police force where rape is considered not worthy of investigation in a majority of cases - 1 in 42 cases resulted in a charge, let alone a conviction.

There would be no "others" in the footage if she was not there.

The only reason the tax payer foots the bill for the creation of the footage is so that there is visual proof of the actions of the others as they deal with her.

It should protect both sides.

The "others" gave up their right not be recorded at work (privacy) when they stepped into an area they knew was being recorded.

How is that losing empathy? It’s just acknowledging these things aren’t rare. As someone who suffered abuse as a child, none of it shocks me, (except the recent case of the 16 year old girl being raped and murdered by her brother, and then the man who found her body, rather than going to the police, thought he’d rape her corpse) but I still have empathy for all other victims.

I think every time the police try to downplay or act as if it’s a rare thing, they’re colluding with the worst in their force. Rather than getting angry or defensive at the public’s response, they need to get angry at their own and look for ways to make real change and regain public trust.

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person for that long without clothing or medical attention so failures all around.

fyi

"She sits with her hands to her head at 5.34am, when the police log says she underwent a medical exam. No one is seen entering the cell on the CCTV footage and she does not move from the spot the entire hour"

Do we not process trauma differently though. Maybe shocked isn’t the right word, disgusted maybe? Something in the pit of your stomach. I’ll write a better response at nap time. I’m trying not to be defensive and I think it’s important police officers actually engage with people on this rather than stick their heads in the sand.

This is so sore worrying apparently she was put in police car but didn't emerge or have footage from ages later. Really worrying.
Where is that footage..