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Could you be with a partner who doesn't believe in climate change?

616 replies

ToDoLists · 26/07/2023 16:17

DH doesn't really think it's all that bad. He thinks we should be recyling more and caring for the planet as makes sense and is just the right thing to do - but that climate change as a disaster is an exaggeration and not based in science. And that people are utilising it for their own agenda, woke brigade & so on.

We have young kids.

AIBU to find this position increasingly problematic?

People are going to say people are allowed different opinions but he seems geniunely unconcerned about future of planet for our kids - and I find that hard to swallow.

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pizzaHeart · 26/07/2023 19:44

SingingNettles · 26/07/2023 18:30

Most modern aerosols don’t contain any ozone depleting chemicals though, because an international treaty was agreed, in the 80s, phasing out the production of the vast majority of said chemicals.

I suspected something like this but it’s became a habit already

Dillydollydingdong · 26/07/2023 19:48

Are you looking for an excuse to dump him? There is a theory (possibly originated by Brian Cox?) that the change in the climate is because the Earth has shifted slightly on its axis.

ToDoLists · 26/07/2023 19:57

Sorry for silence. Not avoiding questions. Just having dinner!

I never said I was perfect or that I sit at home worrying about it every hour. Otherwise I'd be a childfree vegan living in the woods. I'm not.

The loss of respect for my DH comes from his belief that the media and policians are all exaggerating science in some some of woke agenda and that its all a lot of hot air (pun intended). I'm not saying "look I'm wonderful and I'm not doing anything wrong" - the problem is that he doesn't believe something that is evidence based. He would more likely believe a YouTuber over the BBC. And I find that hard to stomach.

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ToDoLists · 26/07/2023 19:59

@User16496743 I didn't catch what you wrote before it got deleted. Im sure it was very insightful. Pls do post again 🙏

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CornishGem1975 · 26/07/2023 20:00

Would I end my marriage over it? If everything else was hunky dory? No of course not. He's entitled to his opinion, pretty sure I have many opinions he thinks are stupid or doesn't agree with, we just don't discuss them.

SingingNettles · 26/07/2023 20:01

Dillydollydingdong · 26/07/2023 19:48

Are you looking for an excuse to dump him? There is a theory (possibly originated by Brian Cox?) that the change in the climate is because the Earth has shifted slightly on its axis.

No, that isn’t quite right

The scientific consensus (somewhere between 97% and 100%, depending on your source) is that the present, rapid climate change is largely attributable to human activities.

The Earth’s axis is constantly slightly shifting, however, the rate of the shift has significantly increased in recent decades as a result said human activities.

So, while the shift in the Earth’s access could accelerate climate change, it is also a result of climate change, caused by human activities.

wp65 · 26/07/2023 20:03

ManateeFair · 26/07/2023 16:29

Having a different opinion is one thing, but denying the scientific facts of climate change isn't a 'difference of opinion'. It's at worst stupid and at best irrational.

I'm not saying I would necessarily break up an otherwise great relationship over that one thing alone, but I think the climate change denial thing would almost inevitably be indicative of other beliefs and personality traits that I would find difficult to stomach in a partner.

This!

ForestGoblin · 26/07/2023 20:10

ToDoLists · 26/07/2023 19:57

Sorry for silence. Not avoiding questions. Just having dinner!

I never said I was perfect or that I sit at home worrying about it every hour. Otherwise I'd be a childfree vegan living in the woods. I'm not.

The loss of respect for my DH comes from his belief that the media and policians are all exaggerating science in some some of woke agenda and that its all a lot of hot air (pun intended). I'm not saying "look I'm wonderful and I'm not doing anything wrong" - the problem is that he doesn't believe something that is evidence based. He would more likely believe a YouTuber over the BBC. And I find that hard to stomach.

Candidly, I couldn't live with a partner like you. Of course the media exaggerates. Of course politicians use themes for their own aggrandisement. The BBC conveys untruths sometimes. Look at the Natwest nonsense. Mummy and daddy don't run the world. Liars do. (Mummy and daddy are liars too, though).

Moonsun88 · 26/07/2023 20:14

Truly there are probably millions of people who couldn't stomach you as a partner. Now get back to your bbc love, you need more programming.

Moonsun88 · 26/07/2023 20:15

ToDoLists · 26/07/2023 19:57

Sorry for silence. Not avoiding questions. Just having dinner!

I never said I was perfect or that I sit at home worrying about it every hour. Otherwise I'd be a childfree vegan living in the woods. I'm not.

The loss of respect for my DH comes from his belief that the media and policians are all exaggerating science in some some of woke agenda and that its all a lot of hot air (pun intended). I'm not saying "look I'm wonderful and I'm not doing anything wrong" - the problem is that he doesn't believe something that is evidence based. He would more likely believe a YouTuber over the BBC. And I find that hard to stomach.

Truly there are probably millions of people who couldn't stomach you as a partner. Now get back to your bbc love, you need more programming.

ToDoLists · 26/07/2023 20:16

@Moonsun88 so good you posted it twice.

@ForestGoblin who are mummy and daddy in this context?

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eatdrinkandbemerry · 26/07/2023 20:18

Yes !
We all have different opinions on lots of topics surely 🤷‍♀️

IdealisticCynic · 26/07/2023 20:18

I couldn’t be with someone who thought that. Largely because I value intelligence…

MrTiddlesTheCat · 26/07/2023 20:29

My DH is a scientist and he doesn't believe climate change is driven by human activity.

SingingNettles · 26/07/2023 20:34

MrTiddlesTheCat · 26/07/2023 20:29

My DH is a scientist and he doesn't believe climate change is driven by human activity.

What kind of scientist is he?

LobsterCrab · 26/07/2023 20:36

@MrTiddlesTheCat is he a scientist in a field related to climate change?

MrTiddlesTheCat · 26/07/2023 20:39

SingingNettles · 26/07/2023 20:34

What kind of scientist is he?

Nuclear chemist. Every proposal he writes has to address climate change impact. None of his colleagues believe it either, but they have to pretend they do in order to access funding.

StillWantingADog · 26/07/2023 20:42

Op tbh I wouldn’t listen to the BBC on the issue. They tread a very thin line between acceptance and denial IMO. Of course it’s better than YouTube
suggest you both listen to the first half of today’s Newscast podcast with Lewis Goodall. On the ground in Spain in the middle of a climate crisis. Enlightening.

Fawful · 26/07/2023 20:47

After Insulate Britain’s protests the government ended all these grants.
Their protests not only did not help, they caused a backlash that has set things back.
JSO protests are having the same impact. Why do you think our PM is U-turning on U.K. environmental commitments? It’s because of the JSO lunacy.

Wow. Where did you read this? That's such a weird argument. The government is u-turning on its environmental commitments because it thinks it will play well for the next general election to describe Labour as lentil-weavers who want you to be poor and have no fun for no good reason. At the stage the government is at, and given its place in the polls, that's the only card they can play against Labour if they want to maybe remain power.
They'll know that in doing so they will have the backing of the tabloid press who will love to have screaming headlines over how much going green would cost YOU (It wouldn't, but what's a little lie? People clearly forgive and forget).
As for the "climate change is cyclical" argument - yes there was change before, but there's never been change that fast. Last time it got hot, it took 5000 years (iirc).
How do we know? Well scientists know - they same way they know pretty much how old the Earth is (4.5 billion years). Or do you think it's just as likely the Earth is 5000 years old? Do you also have an opinion on the Big Bang, the size of the universe, quantum physics? If most scientists agree on something (this unprecedented global warming of +1.5° in 150 years is man-made, the universe is very big), why not go with the 99.9%, why go with the fringe 0.1%?
This pisses me off so much.

Ponderingwindow · 26/07/2023 20:47

It’s naive to deny that much of what is reported on the media on any issue is distorted and hyperbolic.

is your husband willing to follow general good household and personal environmental practices? I don’t just mean the latest bandwagon or trendy nods towards environmentalism.

is your husband willing to listen directly to scientists and read actual peer reviewed studies if some do become well endorsed and accepted by the research community?

there is a distinct difference between a climate change denier and someone who simply wants to see details and studies. There is a distinct difference between someone who wants to engage in showy, symbolic shifts in behavior, and one who wants to know what actual impact those changes in behavior are having.

so I can’t help but wonder, if your husband is willing to go along with much of what you ask, but just doesn’t seem to have full buy-in, perhaps he is just one of those people who takes a more evidence based approach to life, aka, the people who tend to actually accomplish things.

Fawful · 26/07/2023 20:50

"Nuclear chemist. Every proposal he writes has to address climate change impact. None of his colleagues believe it either, but they have to pretend they do in order to access funding."
Maybe he should be brave and step up and enlighten us, then? We can only know what's being shared. Open letter? Anonymous?

Notstrongandstable · 26/07/2023 20:52

Love the fact that people here think if you do a bit more recycling you can avoid climate breakdown! Jesus, have you seen the situation in many European countries atm? We need urgent action now and yes, it would be a dealbreaker for me

bellac11 · 26/07/2023 21:02

So he's doing all the right things, but just not believing something exactly as you believe it

Hes not denying climate change, just questioning whether the level of it or the presentation of it is accurate or exaggerated and if exaggerated it might be to serve someones agenda

Theres probably truth in all of that isnt there? Im well aware of climate change but equally think that there are some inaccurate presentations and representations by various quarters, either for outrage purposes, or money making purposes or political purposes. That doesnt mean I dont understand and accept it, but just that I recognise people will take advantage of situations.

StandingMyGround888 · 26/07/2023 21:12

This is not a "problematic opinion". Wtf. The agenda to narrow the range of accepted opinions to one particular set of ideologies is doing well.

Will you support people's bank accounts, access to their homes etc being revoked on the basis of the beliefs soon? Perhaps their ability to have or raise their own children?

You have been manipulated by mass media to consider leaving your husband because he has a different opinion to you on one issue? Erm... okay?

GolgafrinchamB · 26/07/2023 21:12

Tribute219 · 26/07/2023 16:42

The fires in Greece have been reported (not on the BBC) as being at least partly, if not wholly the result of arson. "Wild fires" is misleading. Yes it's hot, but who didn't know Greece can get really hot in the summer 🌞

Arson is irrelevant.

If the area weren't tinder-dry, the common event of starting fires wouldn't't result in island-wide dangerous fires.