Could you be with a partner who doesn't believe in climate change?

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DH doesn't really think it's all that bad. He thinks we should be recyling more and caring for the planet as makes sense and is just the right thing to do - but that climate change as a disaster is an exaggeration and not based in science. And that people are utilising it for their own agenda, woke brigade & so on.

We have young kids.

AIBU to find this position increasingly problematic?

People are going to say people are allowed different opinions but he seems geniunely unconcerned about future of planet for our kids - and I find that hard to swallow.

You obviously have an agenda, as your title doesn't match your post. He's not a denier, he just doesn't think it's that bad while also doing his bit.

If you want to dump him, dump him. No need to make shit up to get MN "permission ".

I remember the fallout from Chernobyl, excuse the terrible pun. It would be inhabitable for thousands of years and all the wildlife would die, etc etc. In fact the wildlife flourished and it became a tourist attraction in less than 30 years.

The immediate exclusion zone is still is still uninhabitable. The people who do live inside it are holdovers from pre-accident that successive governments have given up trying to move on, and are few and far between.

The wildlife is only 'flourishing' in the sense that because of the lack of humanity it has proliferated in a way that wouldn't have been possible with heavy human activity around, but there is still a hugely increased instance of accelerated mutation in the flora and fauna around the site.

It's true that it has become a tourist attraction, however, it's made abundantly clear to you that you must not step off the asphalt roads, you must not touch anything or disturb the topsoil, and if you bring the correct equipment and have a mind to go looking, you can still find small particles of highly radioactive graphite from the reactor itself that the clean-up has completely missed.

It's not remotely accurate to suggest that the area has defied predictions, it has not. It shows all the expected issues that were predicted at the time, and it's only because of the extensive clean-up that you are even able to set foot inside the exclusion zone at all.

You only need to scrape away the vegetation and immediate topsoil and the ground is still full of highly radioactive elements that will continue to be dangerous to all life forms for thousands of years yet. They have still barely begun to tackle the issue of dismantling the reactor chamber and the remains of the exploded reactor itself, the sarcophagus they built around it for the purpose of facilitating the clean-up is likely to be there for at least 200 years, if not longer, and will no doubt require constant remedial work itself.

The whole place is every bit the total disaster predicted, not some sort of evidence that scientists overplay things just because they enjoy the drama.

Climates change all the time so that in itself isnt really up for debate. In the 70s we were being terrified that another ice age was looming. Theres a whole lot of drama re climate and look at those promoting it zooming about in their private jets and living in sea feont properties where they wouldnt be if they thought sea levels were rising. What happened to all the panic over ozone holes? Take a step back and look at what info msm has pushed on us over even the last 3.5yrs. Was it all honest and accurate? No, it was devisive, coercing, controlling and it was a disgrace. Some call it the biggest psyops ever. So bearing that in mind and looking at the calm and sensible response you seem to have from your partner (?) I think Id be following his lead and leave the climate con well alone.

You've been listening too much to the BBC/Guardian/Project Fear hysteria which the Met Office has had to refute this morning.
The Blair creature has resurfaced but is nothing if not a pragmatist. He points out that UK cannot play God and that China has emitted more carbon dioxide in the last eight years than the UK has since the start of the Industrial Revolution. Remember, China is where all the components for your 2-ton EVs are made. Go figure - and be careful what you wish for.

This thread is making me lose hope for humans 🤦‍♀️I think we deserve to go extinct. So climate change deniers, do your worst!

I'm confused. You love(?) him. You have children together. He does the recycling. Maybe he is just the kind of person who questions majority views? Why not just have an interesting discussion? I love the people in my life who raise the other point of view, even when I think it's bonkers. We are too apt to judge and stick to our tribes🤔

Totally agree.

This.

A July in the Era of Global Warming means needing to wear a cardigan on several days but he's the moron/one needing to be left?

Whilst records for weather keeping only go back for 150 odd years (and early accuracy wouldn't have been as accurate as today) we know a lot more about the weather going back for millennia due to the ice records at the poles.
We know that we are currently moving out of an ice age, this is a natural process, and the planet is naturally getting warmer; that both poles will eventually melt and tropical weather patterns with increased humidity will increase across the planet, this is a completely natural process and humans can not stop this, BUT and it's a big but, this natural process which would take thousands of years, is being sped up by human behaviour, and herein lies the problem, because we're speeding up the process life on earth hasn't got time to adapt, so only those creatures capable of fast adaption will survive ie crocodilians.
Very few wild fires are caused by lightning strikes, most are caused by people throwing their cigarette butt out of the car window or from their motorbike, or by thrown away glass bottles. The 'wild' fires are going to be adding to global warming, we (as in politicians) could do a lot more to stop the 'wildfires' in the first place, but meh, there is simply not the will.
I don't deny global warming, but to be honest unless we tackle global pollution (including treating sewage properly, globally not just the UK) pilfering of the earths natural resources, and a whole host of other issues, then global warming is just a bit of an annoyance, there are much more serious issues with pollution, but this gets very little airspace, partly because it effects far fewer people at anyone time, even though we're fucking up our water system far, far quicker than global warming, and ultimately this is a much more serious issue, but no one is worrying about that...

A July in the Era of Global Boiling means needing to wear a cardigan on several days but he's the moron/one needing to be left?

Everybody seems to be hyperventilating over this issue. If you look through history, the world has had many instances of our climates instability. I really do think there is an agenda at play here, and that is to monetise and abuse this issue for personal gain.This hysteria is ridiculous. The terrestrial news programmes are extremely guilty of this. You look at the weather maps and it looks like the world is on fire. No wonder people freak out. We really need to stop and look to the real experts and get a grip

I agree about the not very bright, though I don't agree with your Brexit opinion!

Interesting - all these posters who keep ramming their "intelligence" down our throats. There are a damn sight more importants traits in a person than their IQ level.

It's not straightforward as you have children.
I would be incredibly worried that anybody doesn't realise that the media - in the UK at least - is overwhelmingly right-leaning and not remotely 'woke'
People who bang on negatively about things being 'woke' tend to hold other problematic, or even bigoted, opinions

Agreed. The idiocy on display is depressing.

Of course, there's instability and there's permanent change. And "real experts" agree that the climate is getting hotter, apparently because of the atmospheric changes due to humans. Even if it is reversible, think of how long the earth was frozen in the ice age before it reversed - the human race isn't likely to survive.

The world is on fire. Wildfires are normal but not this level. I’m in Turkey and even the locals are saying it’s too hot. It takes an extraordinary level of sticking your head in the sand to look at all the data - including record temperatures in the UK last year - and conclude that scientists are making things up and everything is fine really.

Also as a sensible person I believe scientists rather than random posters on Mumsnet.

Climate change isn’t a matter of opinion, much as racism isn’t.
Assuming you live in a western country, and are privileged, it’s true you may not directly suffer the consequences as others in developing nations will, however that is a theory that itself is dwindling- you only need to Google rise in UK floods to see this.

woke brigade? What a charmer.

No because a lot of people who hold that opinion have outlandish opinions about other things too.

The whole place is every bit the total disaster predicted, not some sort of evidence that scientists overplay things just because they enjoy the drama

Hey - who told you that actual knowledge was allowed in this conversation?!

All climate change deniers …. What would be the benefit for scientists to pretend there was climate change? How ridiculous. I really despair.

Well, at least I know if me and DH do break up there is no shortage of women to replace me...I'll let him know about the swathes of "open minded tolerant" mumsnetters rallying against the "liberal elites" and veganism. He'll be out the door quicker than a wildfire.

The 'real' experts all agree that climate change or climate shift as I prefer to call it, is one of the foremost important issues for the planet so yes please look to experts and not the newspapers, social media, the left or the right.

As a physics lecturer, my one main conscience arrow to my students is making them realise that humanity is merely a temporary greasy stain on the planet.

All of us as humans are born, bred and educated by the system to believe that WE are so important, that we are the life blood of earth and that earth = humanity, but in actual real terms, humanity is as important to this planet as an ant is to what we are eating for dinner tonight.

If you believe climate change IS real and increasing rapidly as I and many of my colleagues around the world do, then worry about the future for humanity but do not worry about the future of the planet.
Even if climate change wipes every human from the planet, the planet will in time bring on it's next phase (without the pesky humans).

In time, the carbon chokehold would reduce, seas absorbtion of carbon dioxide would help the gradual restructuring of balance in the atmosphere and ground chemical balance.

It would take around 3 million years to get back to the pre-extinction baseline where large bodied mammals would one again walk the earth and areas like the US, southern Europe and South America would become mega temperate zones with perfect conditions to respawn animal life that would largely consist of DNA altered new species derived from the very few surviving species such as tardigrades (water bears).
The new evolution to the new "humanity" could theoretically be walking worms. That is pot luck as to how nature uses the last surviving and living cell soup and what recipes develop.

We are a quick visitor and even if humanity survives another million years which is by scientific reasoning and current technological advances resulting in almost guaranteed mutual destruction, more or less impossible, we will still have been a fly that landed on the backside of earth, puked up, wrecked parts of the natural order and the planet, then flew off 2 seconds later, only to drop dead.

When humanity and each individual person gets to grip with just how insignificant we are in the clock of the universe, we might just start to love each other, respect each other, stop the self destructive wars and appreciate just how time really is fleeting.

If we do all that, we might just finally live as a decent society and not the absolute hateful and selfish society that is becoming worse every decade.

Haven’t rtft.
I’m not a climate change denier, but since the 60s there have been many catastrophic climate change warnings, every single one has been revised. Even Greta Thunberg has been deleting past tweets because they’ve been proven very wrong.
Living in fear constantly is not the answer. Innovation and inspiring young people is the answer, but global governments seem hellbent on keeping the status quo for the wealthy and putting the fear of god into everyone else.