to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

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I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

Exactly
or those with elderly parents who live over 40 miles away , that the care system does not fully cover their care , so have to drive there and back after a full day of work to help them get to bed etc.
But yes , let’s join a car share club , that sounds jolly 😒
Honestly drives me insane , let’s get real here …

I have a better solution. Urban dwellers to be banned from car ownership altogether unless they have a disability or other compelling health reason. Rural residents carry on as they are.
No need for private transport if you have the facilities of the town on your doorstep is there

Well look at it from a commercial POV. Would you install a load of chargers if the numbers of users was low? I've owned an EV for about 5 years and in that time, chargers have largely increased with increasing numbers on the road.

The council will install lamp post chargers for terraced houses when they start seeing more people buying. I can imagine the uproar if your council tax went up due to the fitment of thousands of chargers that weren't used. You only need look at these types of threads and people can't afford them (or don't want to) when more used stock increases and they're more affordable, things will change.

If you live in a flat, I'd imagine you are responsible, along with the other owners, for making changes to the infrastructure. There's no reason why everyone can't have their own chargers for each parking space.

Modern EV's can charge 300 miles in 20 minutes. That's like filling up with petrol.

The charging time varies depending on the voltage of the charger. If you’re charging at home then yet it can take 6-8 hrs (ie overnight) to get to something close to full charge. From motorway superchargers is dramatically less, 40 minutes or so. Plus realistically how often will you need to charge from 0% to 100% at one of those? A much more realistic scenario is something like 20-30% up to 80%, which could only be about 20 minutes.

I'd be interested to know plans for emergency vehicles....
Can you imagine not getting a 999 response cos it's charging?

I'm in an urban area. Still no public transport unless you want to spend 2hrs to get 4 miles to work and the same back
No bus that goes to the supermarket. Or hospital. Or doctors surgery. To get to any of those I have to go into town to the bus station and back out
It's not a rural area, I am minutes from the motorway, city centre, supermarkets etc - in a car

To be fair at the moment you’re lucky if you get an emergency response at all

I live in a housing association flat. Cant see them fitting chargers

@LimeCheesecake

So has everyone got to buy/rent a house near a bus stop/shops/GP/high school/hospital/train station/their job etc etc etc...? And only in towns and cities and never in the country.

Stop chatting shit seriously!

I think we would all be interested to know more information on how this is all going to work. It is just ridiculous to announce these changes without also announcing strategies to ensure people can get to work or to visit relatives and so on. And what the plan is for disabled people. If they want people to get on board with all of this then they need to explain exactly what is going to happen. The problem is, I don't think the Government actually know.

Although, post 2030 or maybe 2035 I imagine the tax benefits will be withdrawn pretty aggressively, no matter whose in power!!

Sadly the non joined up thinking is on your part. For edge cases like yours, you probably won't have to change for about 20-30 years. I don't know how old your parents are but suspect you'll be ok if you stick with petrol.

After that, I also suspect technology will have improved to the point where your example will be a non issue.

I think the price of horses will go through the roof

Nah. Tories only insisting on it as they know they’ll be out of power next year. Whoever is in charge is hardly going to let the entire country’s economy power down - save the planet, destroy the country? Might be worthwhile but they won’t do it

It's not likely to happen at all, I'm a nelectrician, in many places the power supply infrastructure was put in pre WW2 and is still going strong, but cannot supply too many extra loads.

Our town has mainly victorian terraces and houses, some much older, mostly served by lead sheathed, paper insulated cables originally rated at 60 Amps, in many cases these have been deliberately pushed to 80 or even 100A which results in warm running.

The substation transformers here are old, my local one was built in 1947 and runs constantly at the top end of its capacity. All this is technically OK and the electricity distribution network operator has no plans whatsoever to upgrade, the cost would be exorbitant.

So lots of homes simply can't consider electric.

So do I. EVs are the Betamax of the automotive industry!

The great thing about climate change is that it's truly egalitarian.The disabled, the elderly and those isolated in remote areas will all fry along with the rest of us.

Unless we're able to make and enact the necessary societal choices.

Hybrid cars are due to be made new til 2035 so surely there will still be the need for fuel stations for those? (As well as older ICE cars)

YESSSSSSSSSS! 😆

Driverless EV are the future. No-one owns a car, it just picks you up

@Windercar It's not our Government who are driving this, it is the United Nations. Labour and Lib Dems are fully signed up to it as well.

What models are they?

I research from time to time to see if we would be able to practically have an EV, each time I find the range not enough and charging time too slow for the money we might be able to afford (with a massive loan)

It's not our Government who are driving this, it is the United Nations. Labour and Lib Dems are fully signed up to it as well

Sure. Those in power say anything to stay in power. They all 100% know they won’t be in 7 years time.

Wealthy part of the country, but we were commenting only today, on our walk through the village that so many people have recently upgraded to electric cars, and they all have their own charging points, sometimes two. So many Tesla's....also old Land Rovers, so an interesting juxtaposition.

Unless you are wrong and the deadline of 2030 is moved back.

You sound like King Canute OP.